AlexW wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:33 am
Then you could call the whole universe a "decision engine"... sun shines - flower opens...
If everything that happens is a "decision", does it make sense to still call it a decision? (by the way: I have no problem with the word itself, also not with the conventional use of the phrase "I decide to have coffee" - as long as one understands what is actually happening "behind the curtain of thought").
No. You are pre-supposing a clockwork (deterministic) universe.
I am treating determinism as a human value. It MAY be a property of the universe. I don't know. In fact - evidence leans towards the universe being probabilistic so that puts us at odds with the Universe. Awkward place to be...
Humans like determinism/predictability/control. We want to know that tomorrow we will have food on the table, roofs over our heads and I will have fresh cookies in the bakery down the road.
We most definitely do not like unpleasant surprises and we are wired to react to unpleasant changes (pain) far more adversely than positive changes (tasty apples!)
Decision theory and programming gives me determinism.
I know that on the 1st day of the month my bills will be paid (automatically), my budget will be compared to previous months and any anomalies will be e-mailed to me for review (automatically). I know that if my automated-payment or automated-budgeting systems break I will be alerted of it (automatically).
I know that any drastic changes in my investment portfolio will be responded to (with buy or sell orders) faster than I could ever make the decision myself. And then I will be alerted as to the emergent action done on my behalf (automatically).
The end result is determinism. What happens is EXACTLY what I expected will happen. Because I made it happen.
My intention is captured in a machine which has causal effect on and responds to changes in reality.
Does that mean it has "agency"? Don't know - don't care. It has a causal effect on reality that is reflective of my intent/desires.
AlexW wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:33 am
Also, where do you draw the border between spontaneous happenings and something happening due to a previous decision?
Why do I have to?
The metaphor I like to use is a boat in the ocean. If I choose to keep the engine off I will go wherever the wind blows and wherever the current flows.
But at any moment I decide the ocean has me headed straight for the rocks, I can turn on the engine to adjust course and avoid disaster.
As long as any previous decision hasn't painted me into a corner (say - not putting enough fuel in the boat) I have options.
If I have options - I can make choices. I can avoid the ocean's "plan" for me - which is to smash me against the rocks.