Speakpigeon wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:46 pm
Scott Mayers wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:35 pm
Speakpigeon wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:54 pm
Assuming it is some form of illusion, do you think you know the illusion?
The illusion is one's subjective reality. And thus, to....
Does that means you know it or not?
It depends on your definition of "know", and "illusion".
If by this you are asking, "Do I
(recognize reflexively) (what I
sense is something not-real)?", no.
I may also know (==recognize reflexively) that others simultaneously appear to assert they cannot sense my claim of what I sense in their presence, and infer that relative to them, I am sensing (what I sense is something not-real) to them
And further, if I trust their judgment, perhaps because I also had a reversed scenario of someone else claiming something real to something that is not-real to my own personal capacity to sense, then I can induce that the concept of "illusion" is a useful description of that relative disagreement of experience.
The word "illusion" relatively describes something others
have of an experience that is not shared but insisted upon as real to them.
My physical description above that describes the phenomena of sensation suitably as an "illusion" in that what I sense
is itself, not in and of itself, capable of being shared with certainty by others. So the term "illusion" to describe this has no meaning with exception to our use of it to express that which is inferred as sensed by others from outside and induced to be the same of oneself.
Epistemologically, knowing is sensing
. The utility of using the word, "illusion" to describe what we sense is a means to convey the reflexive observation of others we sense who claim to "know" like ourselves. Then the word "knowing" is thus also a reflexive way to acknowledge
our shared capacity discretely hidden from each other. So more expressively, "Knowing" is the act of "expressing and confirming each other's shared but exclusively hidden sensations". The sensation is described as "illusive" because it "alludes" our own capacity to acknowledge the sensation and yet "eludes" the capacity to control it.
Edit: And thus, I thought it relevant to address the physical factor of our consciousness that helps explain the reflexive concept of 'sensing', where the concept, pain, is a subset of sensing.
And, thus, you might better say instead of "I know pain when I am in pain" is "I feedback acknowledgement of pain, as a distinct sensation, when I am suffering it."