Do you have any suggestions about what could be used instead, so that we are heard and understood?
But when the prey takes the wrong turn and gets eaten, was that because the "communication" was understood or misunderstood, or some thing else?
I do understand that ONLY human beings MAKE UP questions, and that that is the ONLY reason WHY there are perceived "problems" in Life. But questions by themselves do NOT cause misunderstanding. Language used with different words, definitions, and meanings causes misunderstanding, and so do ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS. Providing so called "answers" based on ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS cause misunderstandings, however. Truly OPEN clarifying questions pose nothing other than a 'problem' and a 'problem' is just a question posed for a solution. For EVERY question/problem there is an answer/solution.
Are you sure?
If you are, then you OBVIOUSLY misunderstood what I was asking.
Did you understand or misunderstand what I was asking?
Also, if language is NOT the right tool to express facts that cannot be refuted, then what is the right tool to express that cannot be refuted?
How many times does it have to be explained to human beings before they understand that I neither believe nor disbelieve any thing?
Being 'questioned' does NOT necessarily mean being misunderstood. Some times, like I do, I just ask clarifying questions so as to make sure that I have UNDERSTOOD correctly, and am NOT misunderstanding at all.
And, are you SURE that EVERYTHING I say WILL BE questioned?
I do NOT believe any thing, let alone believe the opposite is true, so all moot.
Very true.AlexW wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:42 amSure, what is clear to one may be confusing for another.Age wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:55 amFurthermore, words used through language can be so quickly and very easily used to TRY TO justify one's own position, to cover up previously mistakes. For example the words, "you leave no room for "creative" expression", ATTEMPTS to put all of the fault onto the reader/listener for NOT understanding FULLY what the writer/speaker was previously meaning, yet was NOT written clearly itself in the beginning.
Could any one refute that?
If yes, then how?
If no, then there are some facts which can be expressed through language which can NOT be refuted.
So, to you, clarifying questions is pretty much the same as misinterpretation that ends in verbal assault?AlexW wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:42 amGuess thats why specific languages have been invented for very special purposes - e.g. computer programming languages where coding errors are simply prompted with a specific error code - meaning you, the programmer will have to correct the syntax of the code.
Human language has a certain degree of freedom where error messages come across in a multitude of ways - the best might be clarifying questions, others are misinterpretation and it ends in verbal assault... to me they are pretty much all the same,
To me there is a very big difference.
For your information, to me, that is NOT a 'problem' at all, but rather just a statement about what is seen to be true, by you.AlexW wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:42 ambut the problem is that human language is 1) not as strictly defined as a programming language and 2) the interpreter (in this case a machine) doesn't care about the meaning the programmer wants to convey, its only about syntax whereas humans care less about syntax but more about meaning.
And what do you propose is the BEST way to UNDERSTAND the actual meaning the writer/speaker wants to get across?
Also, how does meaning "get across" without words?
LOLAlexW wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:42 amFair enough.
There is nothing you can say that I will consider "Thee Truth" - simply because language can only convey relative truth, no absolute truth has ever been spoken (this sentence including).
What can be SEEN is BELIEFS at their finest work now.
What do you mean by 'nobody has been able to tell 'thee Truth'?AlexW wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:42 amYes, maybe, but don't you find it interesting that so far nobody has been able to tell "Thee Truth"?
Are you now saying that EVERY thing that has been said is NOT 'thee Truth'?
Also, if 'nobody has been able to tell 'thee Truth', then that means this, itself, is NOT 'thee Truth', which means that some body HAS BEEN ABLE TO tell 'thee Truth', which is rather all very contradictory.
Strongly held BELIEFS also clearly being SEEN here.
But I have done this ALREADY.
Once you find out HOW to obtain the absolute Truth, then the more you LOOK then the more you SEE, UNDERSTAND, thus CAN CONCEPTUALIZE that actual and real Truth. This happens exponentially. Communicating this, however, is different.
So, by discussing that it is NOT possible to discuss and saying that it may actually hold you back from enjoying it, you keep discussing "it", which you say can not discussed/interpreted, which you also say is NOT 'thee Truth', because no one can express 'thee Truth'.AlexW wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:42 amSure, its the ONLY "place" where "Truth lays" - but discussing/interpreting it is always at a remove from it - its like watching a documentary about ice cream - it will never be able to deliver the same truth as eating ice cream for real - yes, you will know a lot about the theory of ice cream, the flavors, the ingredients, etc - but you will not know/experience the reality of its taste - thus ... I am not sure if discussing it has any real value at all... it might even do the opposite, as it builds expectations and may actually hold one back from enjoying the simplicity of the real.
Besides all of that you also say the only place where 'Truth lays' is NOT somewhere you yourself will go because you BELIEVE that it is impossible to find, discuss, and express thee Truth. Yet you continue to discuss and express and though you, yourself, KNOW thee Truth.
Could you make this any more contradictory even if you tried to?
Also the BELIEFS are so strong and so tightly held now that they are so much more APPARENT and OBVIOUS. The ONLY reason you can NOT find and SEE thee Truth is because you are completely BLOCKED by those STRONG and TIGHTLY HELD BELIEFS.