Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Remarkable how vast, detailed, deep, assured some people's insanity is, must have taken decades to build it all up. "Age" has by far the biggest ego trip of us all here.
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Age wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:55 pmThe more writings under the "alexw" label, which is TRYING TO explain things and make things clearer are only contradicting themself and creating more confusion, for to itself.

The writings under the "alexw" label is at a point that it can NOT even explain anything whatsoever any more. Those writings are now so confused that it even questions what is the point of explaining things.

Seriously Ken you need to give it a rest...you said the exact same comment to Dontaskme character too, and you've probably said the same comment to others as well.

What the heck do you expect people to say to you? all they can say is what they say, from what they know, and from the only way they can express that knowing.. do you not think you go a little bit overboard with you're demands and expectations of how people express their knowledge?
Do you want everyone to write it in such a way that would suit you so that it pleases you, and have it presented in such a way that conforms with your own understanding, the way you want it to be presented just so that makes you happy? ..is that what you want?


If you are trying to be a better communicator then you're capacity to communicate with others is hindering that goal for you, it's not a helpful to say the stuff you're saying as a way of achieving what you are trying to achieve.

Do you not like people writing in a non-dual format?

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Atla wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:25 pm Remarkable how vast, detailed, deep, assured some people's insanity is, must have taken decades to build it all up. "Age" has by far the biggest ego trip of us all here.
It's a whole lot of noise. I think such noise is a sign of the deepest kind of self-indulgent and self-deceiving intoxication. It appears to reveal a crucial need to feel/be in control at some highest/greatest cosmic level (like an evolved over-the-top religious mindset better than all others), yet the noise reveals much to the contrary of what is projected. It's fascinating when a creative force is unable to recognize the outcomes of its own influence.
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Lacewing wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:23 pm
Atla wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:25 pm Remarkable how vast, detailed, deep, assured some people's insanity is, must have taken decades to build it all up. "Age" has by far the biggest ego trip of us all here.
It's a whole lot of noise. I think such noise is a sign of the deepest kind of self-indulgent and self-deceiving intoxication. It appears to reveal a crucial need to feel/be in control at some highest/greatest cosmic level (like an evolved over-the-top religious mindset better than all others), yet the noise reveals much to the contrary of what is projected. It's fascinating when a creative force is unable to recognize the outcomes of its own influence.
I'm so goddamn tired of all the people who are convinced that they channel the voice of the Absolute/God. I don't see it as creative..
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Atla wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:31 pm I'm so goddamn tired of all the people who are convinced that they channel the voice of the Absolute/God. I don't see it as creative..


Not so tired that you have to keep sticking your beak in to what you are sick and tired of - what does that do for you? does it give you a sense of the moral high ground.

Why don't you find something more relaxing to do with your time, maybe go and watch some porn, you seem to like hanging round here a lot, maybe it's time to switch channels for a change.

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Lacewing wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:23 pm It's a whole lot of noise. I think such noise is a sign of the deepest kind of self-indulgent and self-deceiving intoxication.

I wouldn't worry about noise, it's all but silence sounding. Much a do about nothing.

A still mind is like a still wind...and of course we all know you know that by your constant need to be intoxicatingly self-indulgent with your obbessive opinions about how other people choose to express their quest for truth, that has nothing to do with you personally whatsoever.

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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:38 pm
Atla wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:31 pm I'm so goddamn tired of all the people who are convinced that they channel the voice of the Absolute/God. I don't see it as creative..


Not so tired that you have to keep sticking your beak in to what you are sick and tired of - what does that do for you? does it give you a sense of the moral high ground.

Why don't you find something more relaxing to do with your time, maybe go and watch some porn, you seem to like hanging round here a lot, maybe it's time to switch channels for a change.

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I can't help it, I have a drive to make the world a better place, maybe help humanity not go extinct.
So it should be cleansed from vermin like you.
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Atla wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:48 pm I can't help it, I have a drive to make the world a better place, maybe help humanity not go extinct.
So it should be cleansed from vermin like you.
Thanks for the compliment, vermin has as much importance on this planet as does everything else.

Why are humans on this planet? the answer is for the same reason the cockroaches are here, and the birds as well.

Birds sing, and so do humans.

She is singing.

Don't take yourself so seriously dude, you'll give yourself a headache, not me, nothing you say effects me, you're just my entertainment.

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Age wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:23 pm
Thought is what is expressed through and from this human body.
AlexW wrote: Sounds like a belief.
Age wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:23 pmIf anything "sounds" like a belief, or anything else, that has NO bearing on what that "thing" actually IS.

Here is a concept. Can this be understood? Absolutely anything can be expressed through a human body as just being a view only, which may or may not be right, without that view having to be a belief.

Now, if that can be understood, then accept that this I does NOT have a belief.

If that can NOT be understood, then WHY NOT?
Whether a view doesn't need to be right or wrong still needs a belief that the view is without belief....the assumption made that there is no belief present has to be believed...any assumption made needs a belief before it can be viable... if there is no belief there..then there is no view point either... they go together, no belief, no view...else nothing would make sense....no belief, no movie.

You can't just say ''Thought is what is expressed through and from this human body.'' without believing that what you've said is real else what you've said is totally meaningless....you might just as well have said...treacle pudding is what is expressed through and from this human body..but who would have believed that, it doesn't make sense?

The point is, as soon as a truth statement is uttered, there has to be some belief attached to it, else what is the point of saying it?

If like you say, no beliefs are necesary, then really, there is nothing to show up on the screen of awareness...no point to make.

The I (blank screen of awareness) doesn't need to believe to be a blank screen of awareness IT JUST IS

But as soon as something shows up on that screen like a ''thought statement'' then belief must also be present, for example.. the thought arises...I am a human...will mean nothing without a belief attached to it that validates the thought.

It's about story telling, or movie making...no belief, no story, just a blank screen.. no belief, no movie, just a blank screen.

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Atla wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:31 pm
Lacewing wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:23 pm It appears to reveal a crucial need to feel/be in control at some highest/greatest cosmic level (like an evolved over-the-top religious mindset better than all others), yet the noise reveals much to the contrary of what is projected. It's fascinating when a creative force is unable to recognize the outcomes of its own influence.
I'm so goddamn tired of all the people who are convinced that they channel the voice of the Absolute/God. I don't see it as creative..
Yes, it seems absurd. I think some of the mental stuff humans do is very creative (even if dull) -- simply the way we justify and avoid and imagine so much. If only such energy could be put toward getting clear of one's own entanglements and spins -- rather than being manic moths building untouchable cocoons better than the next guy's. It's especially surprising to see nonduality being espoused by people who are clearly tangled in duality, yet they refuse to acknowledge their humanness. It is dishonest...and full of ego. It would be so refreshing to communicate some of these concepts in a clear space instead of wrestling with the egos that pretend not to be there. Such deception sounds like yet another manipulated religion for self-gain.
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Lacewing wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:42 pm
Atla wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:31 pm
Lacewing wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:23 pm It appears to reveal a crucial need to feel/be in control at some highest/greatest cosmic level (like an evolved over-the-top religious mindset better than all others), yet the noise reveals much to the contrary of what is projected. It's fascinating when a creative force is unable to recognize the outcomes of its own influence.
I'm so goddamn tired of all the people who are convinced that they channel the voice of the Absolute/God. I don't see it as creative..
Yes, it seems absurd. I think some of the mental stuff humans do is very creative (even if dull) -- simply the way we justify and avoid and imagine so much. If only such energy could be put toward getting clear of one's own entanglements and spins -- rather than being manic moths building untouchable cocoons better than the next guy's. It's especially surprising to see nonduality being espoused by people who are clearly tangled in duality, yet they refuse to acknowledge their humanness. It is dishonest...and full of ego. It would be so refreshing to communicate some of these concepts in a clear space instead of wrestling with the egos that pretend not to be there. Such deception sounds like yet another manipulated religion for self-gain.
Exactly! :)
What truly bothers me is the negative impact such people have on the world. But then again I've already given up on it..
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Atla wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:48 pm Exactly! :)
What truly bothers me is the negative impact such people have on the world. But then again I've already given up on it..


What given up already..and..shouldn't you be out on the streets cleaning up all the vermin in your heroic attempt to save mankind from it's self inflicted demise ?

Nah, I'd rather hang out on this forum telling people how negative and crazy stupid and insane they are...it's kind or ironic what you project onto the world and then blame other people for what you've projected from your own self... rather than swallow you're own poison all down in one big gulp. :D

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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:45 pm
Lacewing wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:23 pm It's a whole lot of noise. I think such noise is a sign of the deepest kind of self-indulgent and self-deceiving intoxication.
I wouldn't worry about noise
Clearly you don't.
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:45 pmA still mind is like a still wind...and of course we all know you know that by your constant need to be intoxicatingly self-indulgent with your obbessive opinions about how other people choose to express their quest for truth, that has nothing to do with you personally whatsoever.
Right, so... what's your point? :D Is this not the place to challenge the claims people make, as well as pointing out their crazy crap and inconsistencies? Do you think this is just a one-way stage, where people should sit silent and in awe, regardless of the stuff being spewed? Don't we learn and evolve from the feedback we give and get? I know you don't like my feedback. :lol: Even if feisty, I really do wish you well!
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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:59 pm
Atla wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:48 pm Exactly! :)
What truly bothers me is the negative impact such people have on the world. But then again I've already given up on it..


What given up already..and..shouldn't you be out on the streets cleaning up all the vermin in your heroic attempt to save mankind from it's self inflicted demise ?

Nah, I'd rather hang out on this forum telling people how negative and crazy stupid and insane they are...it's kind or ironic what you project onto the world and then blame other people for what you've projected from your own self... rather than swallow you're own poison all down in one big gulp. :D

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Don't worry, you people won long ago, decades or centuries ago. No one can save the world now, we will almost certainly all die soon, I hope that makes you happy. :)

I've come to accept such things. So I'm never really serious on this forum either, as I mentioned before. I'm mostly just here for "entertainment", you take the crazy crap you are sprouting far more seriously, from what I can tell.
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Lacewing wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:00 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:45 pm
Lacewing wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:23 pm It's a whole lot of noise. I think such noise is a sign of the deepest kind of self-indulgent and self-deceiving intoxication.
I wouldn't worry about noise
Clearly you don't.
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:45 pmA still mind is like a still wind...and of course we all know you know that by your constant need to be intoxicatingly self-indulgent with your obbessive opinions about how other people choose to express their quest for truth, that has nothing to do with you personally whatsoever.
Right, so... what's your point? :D Is this not the place to challenge the claims people make, as well as pointing out their crazy crap and inconsistencies? Do you think this is just a one-way stage, where people should sit silent and in awe, regardless of the stuff being spewed? Don't we learn and evolve from the feedback we give and get? I know you don't like my feedback. :lol: Even if feisty, I really do wish you well!

Challenge away..but please do it with some maturity.

And thanks for wishing me well, that is very kind of you. :D Rest assured, I am very well... not gone insane yet, non duality saved me from that fate :wink:

I'm happy to recieve any feedback on what I write from you. Is that what you want to hear? :D

Please feel free to challenge anything I choose to write about...will look forward to dialogging with you. :D

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