Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Re: Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

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Logik wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:38 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:36 pm An illusion is a concept known...aka knowledge...In reality no one knows knowledge.
Nobody knows what knowledge IS.

But nobody knows what anything IS.

Ontological questions are bullshit.

I have some idea how knowledge works. I don't what it is.

Again, questions can only arise to the sense of a separate self where in reality there isn't one.

Even my own knowledge appearing here on this forum is bullshit...we're all smelling our own bullshit.

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Dontaskme wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:49 pm Again, questions can only arise to the sense of a separate self where in reality there isn't one.
So this is not a question?
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Logik wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:50 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:49 pm Again, questions can only arise to the sense of a separate self where in reality there isn't one.
So this is not a question?
It's an appearance of one. But there is no one asking it.

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Dontaskme wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:51 pm It's an appearance of one. But there is no one asking it.
No one can still ask questions.
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Logik wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:53 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:51 pm It's an appearance of one. But there is no one asking it.
No one can still ask questions.

Appearances, yes...but nothing behind an appearance.

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Dontaskme wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:59 pm
Logik wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:53 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:51 pm It's an appearance of one. But there is no one asking it.
No one can still ask questions.

Appearances, yes...but nothing behind an appearance.

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So there is nothing behind the appearance of no thing?

OK. The appearance of no thing which appears as nothing can still ask questions.

I ,The appearance of no thing which appears as nothing, am asking you. Is this a question?

Any description you give - I will claim as my identity. Then I will proceed to ask you a question.
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Logik wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:00 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:59 pm
Logik wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:53 pm
No one can still ask questions.

Appearances, yes...but nothing behind an appearance.

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So there is nothing behind the appearance of no thing?

OK. The appearance of no thing which appears as nothing can still ask questions.

I ,The appearance of no thing which appears as nothing, am asking you. Is this a question?

Any description you give - I will claim as my identity. Then I will proceed to ask you a question.
Any description of a doughnut hole will always be about the doughnut.

There is no self here except as conceived in this conception...an illusion.

This is about the end of suffering confusion and misery that is the assumed imagined separate self.

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Dontaskme wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:08 pm Any description of a doughnut hole will always be about the doughnut.
And yet you mention the hole AND the doughnut.
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Logik wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:23 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:08 pm Any description of a doughnut hole will always be about the doughnut.
And yet you mention the hole AND the doughnut.
It's a function of the mind which works in opposites. It can alternate between the two, it's the divider that cannot be divided. It can divide but it cannot be used to make whole that divide for it is already whole.

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Dontaskme wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:28 pm It's a function of the mind which works in opposites. It can alternate between the two, it's the divider that cannot be divided. It can divide but it cannot be used to make whole that divide for it is already whole.
And yet divide it we shall because we cannot escape our form, nor can we read each other's minds.

There is me. And there is you. Interaction connects us.
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Logik wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:30 pm And yet divide it we shall because we cannot escape our form, nor can we read each other's minds.

There is me. And there is you. Interaction connects us.
That's right Logik.

Because there is no you without me, there is no me without you.

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Dontaskme wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:34 pm That's right Logik.

Because there is no you without me, there is no me without you.
No, but there is I without you.
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Logik wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:35 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:34 pm That's right Logik.

Because there is no you without me, there is no me without you.
No, but there is I without you.
Without a reflection aka (temporal finite appearance of infinite I ) there is nothing showing up in the mirror aka ( infinite I )

A reflection cannot be /appear without the mirror. But the mirror doesn't need a reflection to be.

A reflection is wholly dependant on the mirror to be, but the mirror is not dependant upon the reflection to be.

The mirror is the unchanging groundless infinite screen on which change is witnessed. In finite.

Both the mirror and reflection are one in the same instant...equals infinity now.

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Dontaskme wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:45 pm Without a reflection aka (temporal finite appearance of infinite I ) there is nothing showing up in the mirror aka ( infinite I )
Introspection doesn't require a mirror. It requires observation.
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Logik wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:48 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:45 pm Without a reflection aka (temporal finite appearance of infinite I ) there is nothing showing up in the mirror aka ( infinite I )
Introspection doesn't require a mirror. It requires observation.
That's who you are, you are birthless and deathless infinity now observing.

Not knowing I .. knowing I on relfection.

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In death there is just not-knowing..in birth/life there is knowing....in others words...not-knowing knowing.

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All knowledge is appearance an illusion.

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An illusion can experience nothing. The illusion ('you' and everything else) is the experience.

There are not two 'seeings', an 'eye seeing' (in the case of the 'apparent waking life'), and a 'no-eye seeing' (in the case of the 'apparent nightly dream'). There is just seeing...aka observing...you are that.

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Observing is just another word for 'being'...even a blind man is BEING.

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