Logik wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:33 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:56 pm
No it's not the same thing, a brain is a thing seen, whereas consciousness is not a thing that can be seen.
But you experience consciousness, do you not?
So I will hit you over the head with a baseball bat and when you come back round you will tell me what you experienced during your coma.
Consciousness is just the totality, the Isness of this immediate alive presence of all that IS.. It's no thing being alive. And same applies to death...no thing dies, there is no thing to die, there is no thing to be alive...concepts, aka language are just concepts, they are imaginations arising in no thing consciousness which just IS this pure essence of ISness or consciousness without the illusory conceptual overlay...there is only ISness being ISness..nothing else exists only ISness exists, which is not a thing.
It's not a ''someone'' (thing) being consciousness, experiencing that consciousness. Consciousness cannot experience itself because there is only consciousness which is no thing, it's no thing being conscious it exists. So there is no actual literal experiencer experiencing itself here. There's just no thing experiencing no thing. When we talk to others, we are only talking to ourself..because there is only SELF..and that self is no self interacting with itself.
Test it for yourself, find out where your consciousness begins and ends. You'll see that you have not come into consciousness with your own personal consciousness...you have come out of consciousness that already IS ..THE THOUGHT that I have consciousness is just a thought arising in consciousness that already IS...so the thought is an illusion.There is only consciousness being consciousness. It's the unseen seer, the unknown knower.
The idea that there is a person who has consciousness who was born and will die is just an idea, it's a thought arising in consciousness which is no thing..so the even though thoughts arise, there is no thing to whom these thoughts are arising...so what is an idea, I have no idea.
All thought is pure imagination aka a conceptual overlay upon no thing...and this overlay is not the pure ISness that IS...the concepts have no real reality or existence apart from the consciousness in which they arise and are known. Concepts are KNOWN but no concept has ever been seen. For there is no concept that can see...a concept is an illusion.
Birth and Death is not an experience, concepts are just ideas within consciousness that is neither dead nor alive...so even consciousness is not an experience...all experiences arise in it as and through the dream body, the vehicle for expression, of no thing...in the same way nightly dreams arise to no one, there is no one in deep sleep, or in a dream..yet existence still IS...the consciousness that is aware of waking reality is the same consciousness that is aware of the nightly dream. You are the awareness of your character within the dream, you are not your character.
Consciousness has no location...identification with the character is always referential, it's location, but that's an illusion because there is nothing in the ISness that is in relationship with anything else..this is all purely conceptual, it's relational..illusory.