AlexW wrote: ↑Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:36 am
Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:32 am
It is only through the use of the words, the definitions, the terms, and the languages that we use, and, from the BELIEF that our own "version" of the Truth is the living Truth that is the reason WHY we do NOT come to an agreement. The actual real and living Truth is in the form of and comes from THAT what IS in agreement. Only THAT what IS in agreement by ALL would be what IS actually thee Real Truth. The living Truth is living deep within EVERY one existing deep down, way past this pretentious self, and living with the Real and True ALWAYS existing living Self.
I actually find the "living truth" is not "deep within" at all - it is always here/now. I find that, especially when the mind is quiet, this truth is perfectly present and can be sensed in all experience.
This is exactly what I just said. The 'living Truth' is always here/now. Just get past the 'pretentious self', which is just what you term; 'when the mind is quiet', then the 'living Truth' is revealed. (Jabbering thoughts, monkey mind, noisy mind, thinking, and other words are just terms referencing human beings or people, themselves.)
You say the 'living Truth' is always here/now. Are you able to explain in any detail WHAT this 'living Truth' IS, or WHAT It actually entails?
AlexW wrote: ↑Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:36 amI have to admit that I have come to a point in this discussion where things simply get too complicated - I am not really too fond of such long ping pong games of words. I do thank you though for your dedication and effort in trying to explain your position - I really appreciate it - it has been very interesting indeed.
See, for me, reaching a certain mental level of understanding is nice, agreement in such understanding is even better, but no matter how "accurate" the understanding might be, it will and can never replace the reality of the moment, of direct experience where thought has finally slowed down and taken its appropriate position - in the passenger seat, not the drivers seat.
Again, this is exactly what I have been saying. The 'pretentious, (or small), self' is just the thoughts (and emotions) within the human body. By getting rid of this 'self' from the drivers seat and put it aside, then the Real and True Self, Who IS the KNOWING, can take over and keep steering in the RIGHT direction.
But it sounds like you have some trouble, or it takes you some time, to slow down (what you also refer to as quieting the mind) and to move over into the passengers side.
After you discover and/or learn Who/What the Mind actually IS, then just being thee Real Self becomes much simpler, quicker, and easier.
You have alluded to the perception/fact that you, yourself, have had 'direct experience', if so, then what did you find? What were you directly experiencing and/or directly experienced to? Did you find the Real Self and ALL or any of those answers to Life's, alleged, mysteries?
Your BELIEF, and insistence, that an 'accurate understanding' of ALL-OF-THIS can NEVER be obtained IS a major contributing in 'you' beings stuck right here, where 'you' are now, in NOT being able to accurately and fully UNDERSTAND ALL-THERE-IS.
AlexW wrote: ↑Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:36 amThis living knowledge is a sensual, a felt, organic thing that no conceptual understanding can bring about.
Conceptual understanding originates and comes from the sensual.
As such I think we have spent enough time discussing this topic with each "other" (by the way: I agree with you - there are no others - there are only thoughts that speak of such entities) - to me it feels like this discussion is not really going anywhere besides into more and more complex thought patterns, which seem to be less and less to the point... [/quote]
That is truly amazing, from My perspective this discussion was going somewhere more and more obvious and simplistic, and heading straight towards the mark.
AlexW wrote: ↑Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:36 amAs you said, the Truth is very simple - better to live this simplicity than to clog it up with (thought based) complexity.
If that is what you want to do, then so be it. Enjoy.
I will keep learning to communicate better.