Neuraltransmitters involved in safe spaces
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:07 am
Trixie has me thinking:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_of_La_Mancha
I've always thought of him in comparison to the play, but it just clicked a relation may exist with trauma, allowing people to react in a few different ways. I've known about the fight or flight response for years, but here is a further exploration, from two different news sources:
Swedish Resignation Syndrome
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-41748485
College Liberals Needing Safe Spaces
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... ee-speech/
Now I know hypnagogic hallucinations can trigger death in Micronesians, the old incubus phenomena when sleep paralysis kicks in, when our inability to move causes us to think a old lady is sitting on your chest..... why does the imago specifically refer to a old women, ask someone else, I'll mumble about Jungian Archetypes unconvincingly. I just know the weight triggers a generic hallucination, while the rest of the background of the room is still intact. They are somewhat self aware, but not lucid in the sense they can control it. Why Micronesians in particular, I dunno. Just the extreme case statistically, but the phenomena is generally world wide as far as I've investigated, which never was too deep, but enough to know it happens across cultures. Feel free to dig deeper if you need to for a future study, I recommend it.
In the case of college liberals, it seems to be a confusion between communication and ideas, the dialectic and theory of forms/ideas in a platonic sense. Something is causing these kids severe stress, the inability to react like grown ups, and respond. This isn't as uncommon with adults as you would think, I've chaired many philosophy discussions in public where a member becomes distressed or insulted with the direction a member is carrying a debate, and walks out. I'm generally don't give primers in the art of rhetoric prior to group meet ups, just have people introduce themselves, give a intro, and let people dive in, whoever leads can lead. But some groups are a bit.... the word isn't quite right given it deals with vision/ideas and not words/ideas iconoclastic, I've seen Marxists storm out expecting me to make the whole debate steer in the direction of Marx, because the week before I was at a !arxist debate (I'm not a Marxist, showed up out of respect for being the local philosophy guy), or churchy people leave upset, or atheists. I've also saw members of these same groups stick it out as well, and do fine, holding their own and contributing.
Sometimes the reaction is lashi out in anger. That's the old fight or flight response, and I well understand it, and nip it in the butt (usually, unless I'm bored and it's funny). I try in general to be professional about that in public debates, and stop it from getting to the point of people fighting or fleeing in rage or fear.... but if people meekly get up to leave, or leave insulted, whatever.... not my job to make everyone agreement wish it could be otherwise, but we have free will.
How does the sing along, teddy bear cry fest that liberals (and I suppose this is a recent phenomena, never saw it in San Francisco when I lived there, though it has been videotaped happening since) currently have as a subculture, relate to the Swedish case of kids, small kids, only in Sweden, going crap, withdrawling from the body due to some sort of Cartesian Dualism. I've heard the traits of Cartesian Dualism mostly occurs in the right parietal lobe, but don't fully grasp the phenomena. I know many people here debate it superficially without any understanding of the neurology, so yeah, seen your arguments, I'm pointing towards a neurological model here.
If something snapping here, in these kids, isolating the brain's immature emotions? Something you can note on say, Eric Erickson's stages of childhood development? What stage is too old to have a Swedish style snap? Why do the swedes in particular snap, does Swedish culture encourage a degradation or advancement in refugee children? Too much stimuli, not enough?
Another factor is the general rejection of the stress. If a system is really rotten, as a INTJ, I'm either rejecting it, keeping quite and seething in anger, fixing it, or exploding in anger. As a Stoic philosopher, this Anger explosion has been troublesome for me. I've noticed I don't react very well to spontaneous dancing for joy for example, but am a excellent comedian, I've been developing in fact a philosophy of logic based around comedy. But if I see a display like this, from the movie "The Men Who Stare At Goats", I'd likely react exactly as the father. I can't process that sort of information, and the movie itself targeted that inability in some to process it. This likewise, I'm presuming, links to the right hemisphere pulling itself apart, foreword and frontal lobes warring.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ74Uuftu6Y
But the anger would be triggered in the left? That inability to process, cognize, slamming down on it? That impulse exists in us all at times, in some more than others, sits central at times to my personality, even though I'm generally more allowing than most self professed liberals- but certain loose situations I can't accept.
I know generally something sits in parallel, or is linked on a On-Off feedback loop in the mind. This slams certain processes that seem weird or queer involving audio music and motor dancing and lively expression, does something allow it to reverse here as well, where people internalize the force to stop activity, instead of exhorting others outside to knock it the fuck off? In the liberals in the US colleges, and Swedish children, it seems to be The Flight Response, this trigger saying NOOOOO, knowing out the circuit internally. They suppress themselves. I presume for small children, who aren't as mentally developed, this trigger shuts down the whole brain. For entitled liberals who can't cope with the world, they none the less neurologically developed enough where they are out of the stage that would suppress this shutdown completely, but are still triggered enough due to general immaturity from living a deeply sheltered life and being easily triggered that they can't cope with it. Space = Safety, but also communication and group feeling. They need extroverted social support..... which is exactly what the kids in the Swedish situation are lacking. They shut down and pull away from the world.
Now I doubt the liberals the world around act like US college age liberals do. They didn't always do this, in the 80s they would just plot the Marxist take over of the world or do drugs.... I'm hoping in a generation or two they will shake this off. I'm going to be very annoyed if this phenomena spreads though. I miss the good old days of 6 years ago when liberals used to ask cops at UC Davis to get pepper sprayed for the photo op in public protests, wasn't as bad as these crying sessions in safe spaces, hiding from a tyrant only they can perceive.
None the less, they perceive it, while Swedish kids can't. My gut says it is all interrelated, a switch between cranial nerves jumcfioning in the right hemisphere, and that kids at a certain stage can't control this at all, and in Sweden either kids are more evolved or devolved in maturation that it just sadly hits them. I can't say either way age wise. Some cultures raise kids differently, they take longer or shorter times in a stage on average over others. The Hare Krishnans where I live for example don't punish kids till the age of five, they are slow to gain a sense of shame as a result. Doesn't mean they are retarded in this area for the rest of their lives, just expect local non Hindu kids to react with shame moreso, and I would be a bit more understanding if the kids don't all react the same.
I'm mostly thinking off the Lovheim Cube for insights to the neurochemical cascade, but note that I don't think the Swedish kids are hitting rock bottom in neurochemical depletion, or that they are apathetic, like in the movie Zardoz.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lövheim_cube_of_emotion
I'm going to have to ask that David not act like a white supremacist or weird in this thread in advance. Guy is a bit off, this is a real topic, we can explore your issues elsewhere, do some philosophy 101 stuff for you. Anyone else, feel open to explore. I have a lot of other questions floating around in my mind in regards to this, we can take it on a tangent from anything above.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_of_La_Mancha
I've always thought of him in comparison to the play, but it just clicked a relation may exist with trauma, allowing people to react in a few different ways. I've known about the fight or flight response for years, but here is a further exploration, from two different news sources:
Swedish Resignation Syndrome
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-41748485
College Liberals Needing Safe Spaces
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... ee-speech/
Now I know hypnagogic hallucinations can trigger death in Micronesians, the old incubus phenomena when sleep paralysis kicks in, when our inability to move causes us to think a old lady is sitting on your chest..... why does the imago specifically refer to a old women, ask someone else, I'll mumble about Jungian Archetypes unconvincingly. I just know the weight triggers a generic hallucination, while the rest of the background of the room is still intact. They are somewhat self aware, but not lucid in the sense they can control it. Why Micronesians in particular, I dunno. Just the extreme case statistically, but the phenomena is generally world wide as far as I've investigated, which never was too deep, but enough to know it happens across cultures. Feel free to dig deeper if you need to for a future study, I recommend it.
In the case of college liberals, it seems to be a confusion between communication and ideas, the dialectic and theory of forms/ideas in a platonic sense. Something is causing these kids severe stress, the inability to react like grown ups, and respond. This isn't as uncommon with adults as you would think, I've chaired many philosophy discussions in public where a member becomes distressed or insulted with the direction a member is carrying a debate, and walks out. I'm generally don't give primers in the art of rhetoric prior to group meet ups, just have people introduce themselves, give a intro, and let people dive in, whoever leads can lead. But some groups are a bit.... the word isn't quite right given it deals with vision/ideas and not words/ideas iconoclastic, I've seen Marxists storm out expecting me to make the whole debate steer in the direction of Marx, because the week before I was at a !arxist debate (I'm not a Marxist, showed up out of respect for being the local philosophy guy), or churchy people leave upset, or atheists. I've also saw members of these same groups stick it out as well, and do fine, holding their own and contributing.
Sometimes the reaction is lashi out in anger. That's the old fight or flight response, and I well understand it, and nip it in the butt (usually, unless I'm bored and it's funny). I try in general to be professional about that in public debates, and stop it from getting to the point of people fighting or fleeing in rage or fear.... but if people meekly get up to leave, or leave insulted, whatever.... not my job to make everyone agreement wish it could be otherwise, but we have free will.
How does the sing along, teddy bear cry fest that liberals (and I suppose this is a recent phenomena, never saw it in San Francisco when I lived there, though it has been videotaped happening since) currently have as a subculture, relate to the Swedish case of kids, small kids, only in Sweden, going crap, withdrawling from the body due to some sort of Cartesian Dualism. I've heard the traits of Cartesian Dualism mostly occurs in the right parietal lobe, but don't fully grasp the phenomena. I know many people here debate it superficially without any understanding of the neurology, so yeah, seen your arguments, I'm pointing towards a neurological model here.
If something snapping here, in these kids, isolating the brain's immature emotions? Something you can note on say, Eric Erickson's stages of childhood development? What stage is too old to have a Swedish style snap? Why do the swedes in particular snap, does Swedish culture encourage a degradation or advancement in refugee children? Too much stimuli, not enough?
Another factor is the general rejection of the stress. If a system is really rotten, as a INTJ, I'm either rejecting it, keeping quite and seething in anger, fixing it, or exploding in anger. As a Stoic philosopher, this Anger explosion has been troublesome for me. I've noticed I don't react very well to spontaneous dancing for joy for example, but am a excellent comedian, I've been developing in fact a philosophy of logic based around comedy. But if I see a display like this, from the movie "The Men Who Stare At Goats", I'd likely react exactly as the father. I can't process that sort of information, and the movie itself targeted that inability in some to process it. This likewise, I'm presuming, links to the right hemisphere pulling itself apart, foreword and frontal lobes warring.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ74Uuftu6Y
But the anger would be triggered in the left? That inability to process, cognize, slamming down on it? That impulse exists in us all at times, in some more than others, sits central at times to my personality, even though I'm generally more allowing than most self professed liberals- but certain loose situations I can't accept.
I know generally something sits in parallel, or is linked on a On-Off feedback loop in the mind. This slams certain processes that seem weird or queer involving audio music and motor dancing and lively expression, does something allow it to reverse here as well, where people internalize the force to stop activity, instead of exhorting others outside to knock it the fuck off? In the liberals in the US colleges, and Swedish children, it seems to be The Flight Response, this trigger saying NOOOOO, knowing out the circuit internally. They suppress themselves. I presume for small children, who aren't as mentally developed, this trigger shuts down the whole brain. For entitled liberals who can't cope with the world, they none the less neurologically developed enough where they are out of the stage that would suppress this shutdown completely, but are still triggered enough due to general immaturity from living a deeply sheltered life and being easily triggered that they can't cope with it. Space = Safety, but also communication and group feeling. They need extroverted social support..... which is exactly what the kids in the Swedish situation are lacking. They shut down and pull away from the world.
Now I doubt the liberals the world around act like US college age liberals do. They didn't always do this, in the 80s they would just plot the Marxist take over of the world or do drugs.... I'm hoping in a generation or two they will shake this off. I'm going to be very annoyed if this phenomena spreads though. I miss the good old days of 6 years ago when liberals used to ask cops at UC Davis to get pepper sprayed for the photo op in public protests, wasn't as bad as these crying sessions in safe spaces, hiding from a tyrant only they can perceive.
None the less, they perceive it, while Swedish kids can't. My gut says it is all interrelated, a switch between cranial nerves jumcfioning in the right hemisphere, and that kids at a certain stage can't control this at all, and in Sweden either kids are more evolved or devolved in maturation that it just sadly hits them. I can't say either way age wise. Some cultures raise kids differently, they take longer or shorter times in a stage on average over others. The Hare Krishnans where I live for example don't punish kids till the age of five, they are slow to gain a sense of shame as a result. Doesn't mean they are retarded in this area for the rest of their lives, just expect local non Hindu kids to react with shame moreso, and I would be a bit more understanding if the kids don't all react the same.
I'm mostly thinking off the Lovheim Cube for insights to the neurochemical cascade, but note that I don't think the Swedish kids are hitting rock bottom in neurochemical depletion, or that they are apathetic, like in the movie Zardoz.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lövheim_cube_of_emotion
I'm going to have to ask that David not act like a white supremacist or weird in this thread in advance. Guy is a bit off, this is a real topic, we can explore your issues elsewhere, do some philosophy 101 stuff for you. Anyone else, feel open to explore. I have a lot of other questions floating around in my mind in regards to this, we can take it on a tangent from anything above.