Pure Consciousness/Proto-Consciousness and Entropy may be the two sides of the same coin

Is the mind the same as the body? What is consciousness? Can machines have it?

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Re: Pure Consciousness/Proto-Consciousness and Entropy may be the two sides of the same coin

Post by Your Construct » Sat May 27, 2017 2:49 pm

Thank you.

One last question if you don't mind.

In your last statement, you appear to state there is a difference between consciousness and awareness. I have thought of them as being the same thing. What is the difference between consciousness and awareness?
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Re: Pure Consciousness/Proto-Consciousness and Entropy may be the two sides of the same coin

Post by Dontaskme » Sun May 28, 2017 8:12 am

Your Construct wrote:
Sat May 27, 2017 2:49 pm
Thank you.

One last question if you don't mind.

In your last statement, you appear to state there is a difference between consciousness and awareness. I have thought of them as being the same thing. What is the difference between consciousness and awareness?
These two words 'awareness' & 'consciousness' appear to mean basically the same thing, but they're not the same even though they are inseparably intertwined they do in fact point to two very different meanings.

I'm providing you with a very good link YC that will answer your question ..it's probably the best answer on the internet, so I hope you find it useful. It's not a very long read. So enjoy.

Let me know what you think? ... ask more questions if you have any doubts about what you are reading. :D

http://www.prahlad.org/disciples/preman ... RENESS.htm

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Re: Pure Consciousness/Proto-Consciousness and Entropy may be the two sides of the same coin

Post by Your Construct » Wed May 31, 2017 5:29 am

Thank you again. It was very enlightening and clarified quite a few things for me.

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Re: Pure Consciousness/Proto-Consciousness and Entropy may be the two sides of the same coin

Post by SteveKlinko » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:01 am

Dontaskme wrote:
Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:31 am
SteveKlinko wrote: The Inter Mind model proposes that there is a Physical Mind (Brain) existing in Physical Space and a Conscious Mind existing in Conscious Space.

We know that Neurons fire in the Physical Mind and we have corresponding Conscious Experiences in the Conscious Mind. No one knows how the Neural firings lead to Conscious Experience.
Do you mean like the brains trillions of tiny point particles when making contact with each other as they fly around in vibratory fashion,cause a friction called a neural firing of electrical impulses causing sparks of electrical light/or consciousness to emerge.


The inter Mind Model proposes that there is an Inter Mind that connects the Physical Mind to the Conscious Mind. Maybe The Inter Mind operates using principles of Entropy to bridge the Gap.
Do you mean like when latent awareness knows sensation..consciousness comes online(activated on contact)..appearing as the mind?

Or put another esoteric way...When unconscious latent awareness (Father) knows sensation /conscious(Mother) Son is born (mind)?
I wasn't thinking in quite the terms you have described, but with Consciousness all possibilities are still on the table.

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Re: Pure Consciousness/Proto-Consciousness and Entropy may be the two sides of the same coin

Post by daramantus » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:39 am

Your Construct wrote:
Mon May 22, 2017 4:29 am
Hi Dontaskme,

I have been pondering this ever since you posted it; and I have not been able to come up with anything to my satisfaction until now. Are consciousness and entropy the dualistic opposites of each other? Consciousness is what we use to perceive everything, we use consciousness to perceive entropy. Good and evil are both perceived by consciousness, positive and negative are both perceived by consciousness, order and chaos are both perceived by consciousness. So what can we perceive that would be the opposite of entropy? After weeks of pondering, my conclusion can be encapsulated in a single, short sentence.

My conclusion is that the dualistic opposite of entropy would have to be evolution.

The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of the universe is always increasing. Within the current framework that we understand thermodynamics, this means we would evolve even more.

The mathematical equation for entropy is

S = k ln (W)

S represents entropy, k is Boltzman's constant, ln is the natural log, and W is the number of states that a system has. Does this mean that evolution can also be expressed as an equally simple mathematical equation? Is the equation for evolution, if it can be expressed as an equation, a symmetric form of the entropy equation? This could be a PhD thesis. Biology is not my field though.

Since reality is basically consciousness evolving towards greater complexity, I believe your statement would still be correct; I am just being more technical.

Best Regards,
Your Construct

Since reality is;;;;; not what you think.


YOUR consciousness may be basically evolving towards greater complexity


reality has nothing to do with it.

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Re: Pure Consciousness/Proto-Consciousness and Entropy may be the two sides of the same coin

Post by daramantus » Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:35 pm

Your Construct wrote:
Wed May 24, 2017 7:36 pm
If there is no duality in deep sleep, would deep sleep even be considered existence? Existence does not seem possible without duality.

Even awareness doesn't seem possible without duality, or is awareness nondual? Awareness seems to be dual to me, you have the awareness AND what you are aware of.

Is there absolutely no awareness in deep sleep? Or is there just the slightest infinitesimal amount of awareness?

I know, lots of questions.
lol, you just said in your previous topic that people weren't as sentient as you are because you have a DNA godhood inside you and if you are not observing them, they become quantum information and fluidness randomness and that reality of objects are like in a video game, now ur just contradicting all of ur previous bs. Decide.

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