Dontaskme wrote:'' I am not the body. The body is nothing without me. '' ...'me' being the I am.. aka the ground of all being. ,,,
Show me you without a body? Show me any "I" without a body?
You're not listening very well to what's being pointed to here are you A_uk?
To show you a human body without an I ...would be to show you death...assuming you are talking about a human body that is...so in effect, I can't show you a body without an I....that is impossible since the I that I am is unborn, so who is going to show you? ..only the concept of I is born and dies.
I without a concept never dies, it is unborn...I without a concept is awareness that knows every concept as it is conceived in me the unborn inconceivable. I awareness have never been seen or known...I am the seeing, and knowing..seen and known in the concept aka conception..
So what is this you / I ..you are talking about ? ..are you talking about the concept of I?
Does a table have a you in it? ...does a tree have a you in it? ..tables and trees are concepts, as is the body...the body is the conception of me..aka I..but I am not the conception for I am always and forever inconceivably unknown or seen. I am ONE
Bodies, aka concepts come and go in I but I don't come and go. If I did, reality would not make sense one iota. The I manifests as both animate and inanimate concepts. There is no I in a tree, but it's a body of nature, so that's one way of showing you a body without an I ..I suppose.
From this argument..it is seen quite clearly there is only ever one I which doesn't die because it was never born...only the concept of I is born via the knowledge.. therefore knowledge is illusory, since the knower of knowledge is awareness the only I there is.
Arising_uk wrote:No, the body is the being of seeing and knowing. You talk about being the agent of the body but you also claim that there is nothing there of you, how are you doing this?
Don't confuse the I of awareness with the concept/belief of I. The I in this topic is referring to the I in which all things known by that I appear and disappear...which is consciousness without an object I...aka pure awareness.
No concept / belief is doing anything...doing is done whether the thought / belief of I is there or not.......as in when the body is asleep, in this state, the I belief is absent...but the real doer is not absent it's constantly here as the ground state of beingness....it's that presence that is beating your heart and breathing your breath while you sleep, it's that presence that wakes you from deep sleep when your name is called...it's your hearing, your seeing and all your senses ..etc etc..that eternal presence is not a thing, but in order for a no thing to be known no thing manifests as all things / concepts known in the instant they arise in I the one with the knowing ..which is only and ever awareness aware of itself alone.
To say 'I am doing' implies two..the doer of the done....no thing is doing, all doing is one unitary action.. no thing is powering the body machine to move.. the machine is run by electricity, aka consciousness on. Consciousness is an aspect of pure awareness, manifest as concept...aka conception I am. But that is neither alive or dead...the ground state of all being is pure awareness...which is not a concept but knows all concepts as they arise in it...hence the conception of I
Arising_uk wrote:The something is exactly what I think it is, a body with senses in an external world.
The I has never seen a thought. Thoughts are known by the I as concepts, concepts are not real, only I is real... which is unknowable by an other I for it is ever and only I - oneness.
What is only thought to exist, is the thought itself, completely invisible, and exists purely as a fictional character appearing real as the thought of I concept is believed...evidenced in the image, but there is nothing behind the image that can be found by the image, for the image is an i/dea/belief of I
No concept or belief has ever been seen...Life is a dream dreamt by no one. All beliefs are concepts, but not all concepts are beliefs.