New TV series Westworld - are the hosts conscious

Is the mind the same as the body? What is consciousness? Can machines have it?

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New TV series Westworld - are the hosts conscious

Post by attofishpi » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:13 am

I recommend anyone interested in 'Philosophy of Mind' to watch the new TV series Westworld.
Ed Harris and Anthony Hopkins are in it and thus far i am hooked!

I don't want to give too much away, but i have always been interested in this concept of AI where something we create that emulates intelligence may one day be formed such that the 'machine' becomes actually conscious, and i think that is the key issue within the "Park" here. I think Dr Ford is aware that the robots are conscious but wants to keep this under wraps for ethical reasons.


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Post by TSBU » Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:33 pm

Hmmm, I started "regenesis" yesterday, I usually don't like to see not ended things (I hate to wait)

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Post by attofishpi » Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:41 am

TSBU wrote:Hmmm, I started "regenesis" yesterday, I usually don't like to see not ended things (I hate to wait)
I like it between the weekly releases, the anticipation - but waiting for the next season is crap.

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Post by attofishpi » Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:43 am

Yes a friend that put me on to Westworld mentioned there was a 70s film - i think also there was an eighties TV series. I'll have to wait until the current TV series is finished before watching the film i think.

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Post by attofishpi » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:38 am

Get Season 1 any way you can! This is excellent entertainment, especially for anyone interested in the impending strong AI and actual consciousness within such a framework.

**spoiler alert*** I was right regarding my suspicions above regarding Hopkins (Robert Ford).

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Post by TSBU » Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:16 pm

attofishpi wrote:Get Season 1 any way you can! This is excellent entertainment, especially for anyone interested in the impending strong AI and actual consciousness within such a framework.

**spoiler alert*** I was right regarding my suspicions above regarding Hopkins (Robert Ford).
I've seen it, it's entertainment, not very philosophical. Many people has said to me to look "humans", they say it's the same, but less glamour and more deep.

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Post by attofishpi » Thu Dec 22, 2016 3:26 pm

TSBU wrote:
attofishpi wrote:Get Season 1 any way you can! This is excellent entertainment, especially for anyone interested in the impending strong AI and actual consciousness within such a framework.

**spoiler alert*** I was right regarding my suspicions above regarding Hopkins (Robert Ford).
I've seen it, it's entertainment, not very philosophical. Many people has said to me to look "humans", they say it's the same, but less glamour and more deep.
Sure, but i think the way the hosts come to real eyes what they are is handled very succinctly.

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Post by Dalek Prime » Mon Dec 26, 2016 3:59 pm

What a horrid thought, to create a consciousness that will suffer. And for a machine consciousness, it does not have the benefit of a divine creation, or purpose, but just a mundane, haphazard pedigree with no meaning. Which I believe humans have, but with no obvious living creator, we can at least pretend we do.

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Dalek Prime wrote:What a horrid thought, to create a consciousness that will suffer. And for a machine consciousness, it does not have the benefit of a divine creation, or purpose, but just a mundane, haphazard pedigree with no meaning. Which I believe humans have, but with no obvious living creator, we can at least pretend we do.
People have babies all the time, and it isn't so bad in most of times :/

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Post by attofishpi » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:35 am

TSBU wrote:
Dalek Prime wrote:What a horrid thought, to create a consciousness that will suffer. And for a machine consciousness, it does not have the benefit of a divine creation, or purpose, but just a mundane, haphazard pedigree with no meaning. Which I believe humans have, but with no obvious living creator, we can at least pretend we do.
People have babies all the time, and it isn't so bad in most of times :/
Yes, the consciousness within these androids\robots do suffer terribly. Dalek had the snip when he was eleven to ensure he doesn't bring anyone into this horrible thing called life! ...he's been firing blanks all over the place ever since.

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Post by Dalek Prime » Tue Dec 27, 2016 12:15 pm

attofishpi wrote:
TSBU wrote:
Dalek Prime wrote:What a horrid thought, to create a consciousness that will suffer. And for a machine consciousness, it does not have the benefit of a divine creation, or purpose, but just a mundane, haphazard pedigree with no meaning. Which I believe humans have, but with no obvious living creator, we can at least pretend we do.
People have babies all the time, and it isn't so bad in most of times :/
Yes, the consciousness within these androids\robots do suffer terribly. Dalek had the snip when he was eleven to ensure he doesn't bring anyone into this horrible thing called life! ...he's been firing blanks all over the place ever since.
Lol! :lol:

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Post by Dalek Prime » Tue Dec 27, 2016 12:17 pm

TSBU wrote:
Dalek Prime wrote:What a horrid thought, to create a consciousness that will suffer. And for a machine consciousness, it does not have the benefit of a divine creation, or purpose, but just a mundane, haphazard pedigree with no meaning. Which I believe humans have, but with no obvious living creator, we can at least pretend we do.
People have babies all the time, and it isn't so bad in most of times :/
You haven't thought about it much, have you...

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Re: New TV series Westworld - are the hosts conscious

Post by TSBU » Tue Dec 27, 2016 12:26 pm

Dalek Prime wrote:
TSBU wrote:
Dalek Prime wrote:What a horrid thought, to create a consciousness that will suffer. And for a machine consciousness, it does not have the benefit of a divine creation, or purpose, but just a mundane, haphazard pedigree with no meaning. Which I believe humans have, but with no obvious living creator, we can at least pretend we do.
People have babies all the time, and it isn't so bad in most of times :/
You haven't thought about it much, have you...
About your post. No. About the topic... I dont know

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Re: New TV series Westworld - are the hosts conscious

Post by Dalek Prime » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:29 pm

TSBU wrote:
Dalek Prime wrote:
TSBU wrote: People have babies all the time, and it isn't so bad in most of times :/
You haven't thought about it much, have you...
About your post. No. About the topic... I dont know
There's more to existence than meets the eye. I find your honesty refreshing, btw. Thank you.

I think about consciousness and existence pretty much everyday, poking and prodding my own philosophy and beliefs for holes, because I can't defend anything that's incorrect. I've found none after many years.

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