Do you regard the human brain as the most complex object in the universe?

Is the mind the same as the body? What is consciousness? Can machines have it?

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Re: Do you regard the human brain as the most complex object in the universe?

Post by Greta » Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:07 pm

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Greta wrote:One one level I see brains per se as just one more example of nature's tendency for relatively homogeneous material to form areas of concentration as they cool - particlisation. Atoms, gas clouds, stars, planets, galaxies, galactic clusters, cells, multicellular structures, encephalisation, colonies, cities, institutions ... in each case some area of greater concentration starts building up more rapidly than the surrounding environment and in time new properties emerge from the buildup.
The propensity to complexity is not inherent in the general but in the specific cases that we see due to the activity thus produced. I think this is of a different kind of matter concentrations to atoms in space, in which the propensity to coalesce is inherent in gravity and general principles.
Actually, the propensity toward complexity is completely inherent to our reality, hence the universe is still no longer simple ultra-dense, ultra-hot plasma. That's why the Earth has life, multicellular organisms and so forth rather than the melted rock of the Hadean. The universe is cooling and, up to a point, as things cool down they become more ordered.

The mechanisms are obviously different, but greater order - greater information density - demonstrably results in emergent phenomena, as does the concentration of mass does.

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Re: Do you regard the human brain as the most complex object in the universe?

Post by Hobbes' Choice » Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:18 pm

Greta wrote:
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Greta wrote:One one level I see brains per se as just one more example of nature's tendency for relatively homogeneous material to form areas of concentration as they cool - particlisation. Atoms, gas clouds, stars, planets, galaxies, galactic clusters, cells, multicellular structures, encephalisation, colonies, cities, institutions ... in each case some area of greater concentration starts building up more rapidly than the surrounding environment and in time new properties emerge from the buildup.
The propensity to complexity is not inherent in the general but in the specific cases that we see due to the activity thus produced. I think this is of a different kind of matter concentrations to atoms in space, in which the propensity to coalesce is inherent in gravity and general principles.
Actually, the propensity toward complexity is completely inherent to our reality, .
No - everything leads to entropy, as anyone knows.

The end game of the universe is its 'heat death'. Complexity is tender, temporary and fleeting.

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Re: Do you regard the human brain as the most complex object in the universe?

Post by Walker » Sun Apr 02, 2017 11:58 am

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Re: Do you regard the human brain as the most complex object in the universe?

Post by Walker » Sun Apr 02, 2017 11:59 am

Hobbes' Choice wrote:Nothing to do with dolphins.
I don’t think it ever is about dolphins, although dolphins would disagree until they fly and parrots live at sea.

You know, people act like they are going to live forever. Have you ever considered why, beyond calling people idiots, or morons, or delusional? Because, people are aware that it does end. And people do act like it does not.

Picture this … the plane is going down and there’s one page left in the book that you are reading. Do you finish reading the book?

Well, the plane is going down. And the house is on fire. How much reading is enough?

Increasing entropy, decreasing entropy, closed system, open system, order arising from disorder, evolution, apparent contradictions, blah blah blah. This is pretty basic stuff.

I’ll leave you to explain what can be found in books, if that’s what you’re up to.

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Re: Do you regard the human brain as the most complex object in the universe?

Post by Greta » Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:46 pm

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Greta wrote:
Hobbes' Choice wrote: The propensity to complexity is not inherent in the general but in the specific cases that we see due to the activity thus produced. I think this is of a different kind of matter concentrations to atoms in space, in which the propensity to coalesce is inherent in gravity and general principles.
Actually, the propensity toward complexity is completely inherent to our reality, .
No - everything leads to entropy, as anyone knows.

The end game of the universe is its 'heat death'. Complexity is tender, temporary and fleeting.
That's just common knowledge, but maybe all that happens in between the BB and the hypothesised heat death of the universe is also be worthy of consideration as inherent to reality?

Further, "heat death" is a hypothesis that has attracted a surprising amount of faith given the may problems with the standard model. In a 14b year-old universe with predicted star formation continuing for another trillion years, "heat death" assumes that not much unexpected will happen in over a period about seven times longer than the current age of the universe. The universe's history suggests otherwise.

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Re: Do you regard the human brain as the most complex object in the universe?

Post by osgart » Fri May 12, 2017 5:50 am

has to be. It's a marvelous piece of engineering .balance,coordination,sensory input,motion control, reaction response, hierarchical function, .

we are more the energy in the brain than the brain itself.

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Re: Do you regard the human brain as the most complex object in the universe?

Post by William6 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:19 am

Human brain is the most complex object in the known universe.Dr. Michio Kaku tackles the most complex object in the known universe-human brain.

“It is remarkable that a gigantic, city-size computer is required to simulate a piece of human tissue that weighs three pounds, fits inside your skull, raises your body temperature by only a few degrees, uses twenty watts of power, and needs only a few hamburgers to keep it going.” ― Michio Kaku, The Future of the Mind: The Scientific Quest to Understand, Enhance, and Empower the Mind.

The human brain has 100 billion neurons, each neuron connected to 10 thousand other neurons.

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Re: Do you regard the human brain as the most complex object in the universe?

Post by Viveka » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:19 am

I would say the universe is the mos complex object in the universe. :)

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Re: Do you regard the human brain as the most complex object in the universe?

Post by RustyBert » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:39 pm

How many other objects in the universe, not counting earthly living thing's brains, have you observed?

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