Do you regard the human brain as the most complex object in the universe?

Is the mind the same as the body? What is consciousness? Can machines have it?

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Re: Do you regard the human brain as the most complex object in the universe?

Post by Greta » Wed Apr 06, 2016 2:50 pm

Skip wrote:He never said mass. How does Andromeda compare to the flea brain, mass-wise? What are the methods of comparing? And then, too, you'd have to consider mass/volume ratio, or density. No, no, it's just too thorny a problem!
The term I've heard used more than once is "pound for pound" the human brain is the most complex thing in the universe. Fairly sure I've heard Bill Nye say it too - it's a cliche now. The issue with galaxies is that we know so little about them.

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Re: Do you regard the human brain as the most complex object in the universe?

Post by Skip » Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:48 pm

Flea brains, too. And imagine what fleas and galaxies don't know about one another!
However, if the Science Guy and Philx agree, who am I to argue?

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Re: Do you regard the human brain as the most complex object in the universe?

Post by Hobbes' Choice » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:30 am

attofishpi wrote:
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Skip wrote:Nope. I'll have to go with galaxies. https://www.google.ca/search?q=galaxies ... 00&bih=698
Why?
The Milky Way galaxy is the most complex "object" in the universe known to man.
Yes, because it contains many dolphin brains.

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Post by Skip » Sat Apr 09, 2016 3:32 pm

But, but, what if Andromeda has a planet - or a whole federation of planets! - where dolphins outperform and outnumber humans? And then, after they collide, how complex will that make the Milky-Andro galaxy?
These are serious questions that require urgent and serious consideration.

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Re: Do you regard the human brain as the most complex object in the universe?

Post by Arising_uk » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:23 pm

attofishpi wrote:The Milky Way galaxy is the most complex "object" in the universe known to man.
Well it and the other billions of spiral galaxies.

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Re: Do you regard the human brain as the most complex object in the universe?

Post by attofishpi » Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:58 pm

Arising_uk wrote:
attofishpi wrote:The Milky Way galaxy is the most complex "object" in the universe known to man.
Well it and the other billions of spiral galaxies.
No. Hobbes understood my reasoning.

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Re: Do you regard the human brain as the most complex object in the universe?

Post by osgart » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:14 am

balance feeling perception focus emotion
the brain does so much and is intimately apart of who you are. But it doesnt think. It senses and tunes are physical experiences. Thats my assertion. It might be simpler than we think. Black holes would have to be the most complex affecting space and time.

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Re: Do you regard the human brain as the most complex object in the universe?

Post by Beauty » Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:24 pm

The most complex object in the universe would not be the brain but the mind instead with which we have wireless connection because where is the location of the mind exactly? We don't know. The brain is a physical organ in our body, body gone brain goes with it too, but we our spirit our mind is still there somewhere and is not a physical organ but mental, mind(spiritual). This spiritual - the word - language - thinking, feeling, understanding, cognition, ideas unlimited etc., is the most complex thing in the world. Everything can be expressed in word, word has meaning. The brain, a physical organ can be studied, but not the mind, for it cannot even be seen but can only be felt, which is why one can destroy one's body but cannot destroy one's spirit. Spirit is there. "Spirit is eternal." "God is a word." The brain only processes information coming from the mind. It is only a processor not the source of all information.
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Re: Do you regard the human brain as the most complex object in the universe?

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:27 pm

Beauty wrote:The most complex object in the universe would not be the brain but the mind instead with which we have wireless connection because where is the location of the mind exactly? We don't know. The brain is a physical organ in our body, body gone brain goes with it too, but we our spirit our mind is still there somewhere and is not a physical organ but mental, mind(spiritual). This spiritual - the word - language - thinking, feeling, understanding, cognition, ideas unlimited etc., is the most complex thing in the world. Everything can be expressed in word, word has meaning. The brain, a physical organ can be studied, but not the mind, for it cannot even be seen but can only be felt, which is why one can destroy one's body but cannot destroy one's spirit. Spirit is there. "Spirit is eternal." "God is a word."
Since the mind can't be measured, then how do you know this?

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Post by Beauty » Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:32 pm

Love, can you measure it, no, but it is there. Emotions, can you measure? No, but they are there. Thinking, can you measure? No, but it's there. Understanding, can you measure? No, but it's there. So is the mind there - only felt.

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Post by Philosophy Explorer » Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:40 pm

Beauty wrote:Love, can you measure it, no, but it is there. Emotions, can you measure? No, but they are there. Thinking, can you measure? No, but it's there. Understanding, can you measure? No, but it's there. So is the mind there - only felt.
Don't you think you'd be better off with the brain which you can measure, than with the mind which you can't?

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Post by Beauty » Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:59 pm

Holy, no! Because the brain is only the receptor and conveyor so processor of information from mind to our body and vice-versa. The mind is the reservoir of all that even the brain has as well as our whole body itself, for our whole body is according to our mind/spirit. So when the mind is everything, then why would we limitize ourself as to just measuring brain.

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Post by Philosophy Explorer » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:05 pm

Beauty wrote:Holy, no! Because the brain is only the receptor and conveyor so processor of information from mind to our body and vice-versa. The mind is the reservoir of all that even the brain has as well as our whole body itself, for our whole body is according to our mind/spirit. So when the mind is everything, then why would we limitize ourself as to just measuring brain.
How do you know that the mind covers the whole body? Does the mind have nerve attachments to the entire body? How do you measure mind?

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Re: Do you regard the human brain as the most complex object in the universe?

Post by Hobbes' Choice » Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:22 pm

Beauty wrote:Holy, no! Because the brain is only the receptor and conveyor so processor of information from mind to our body and vice-versa. The mind is the reservoir of all that even the brain has as well as our whole body itself, for our whole body is according to our mind/spirit. So when the mind is everything, then why would we limitize ourself as to just measuring brain.
Where is your mind?
If you can't tell me, maybe you've lost your mind?

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Re: Do you regard the human brain as the most complex object in the universe?

Post by Harbal » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:21 pm

Beauty wrote:So when the mind is everything, then why would we limitize ourself as to just measuring brain.
Nice word, Beauty, did you invent it all by yourself?

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