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We are both the killer and the killed.

And it all keeps going, without change, the more we are unconscious.


Individuals who work on becoming more self-conscious face seemingly impossible physical obstacles in doing so and when they are successful, even to a small degree, we face isolation and a type of uncertainty and fear at what humanity actually is and continues to perpetuate.


Hell, purgatory, and even heaven originally were portrayed as being eternal.

Please keep in mind that the death that the Bible continues to relate to is actually a death we experience in life. NOT a physical death but a death of the ego.




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Let me guess, Bill, do you before find such incredible gifs and then you get illumination for your threads by those? Or do you before find such illuminations within yourself and then look for the more appropriated gifs?

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Good question.

Both experiences occur.

This particular thread was an example of accident, discovery, control. Which is a perspective I learned in art school.

I saw the gif and I worked a philosophical concept to it.


...Ive actually used this gif before. Probably in a similar line of thought.



Other times I write a thread and then search for an image or gif to highlight or focus a particular aspect







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Thank you Bill. Let me tell you, I like surreality.

Apparently unconsciousness and the repetition of life are contradictory terms; life means that you are alive, so if you live, you must be conscious, except if you are a vegetable, but if you're a vegetable you cannot know that you are a vegetable, otherwise you would not be a vegetable. So I'd say unawareness of the repetition of life. Many people believe in reincarnation, I was always fascinated by the proofs they take of their previous lives.

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I am certain of one thing, and only one thing, in this lifetime.

That is, we repeat our lives over & over again.

Certainly not the exact same life over & over again but a relatively similar one.


Self-consciousness is the game changer.


If there were a gauge it would reflect that if an individual is seldom self-conscious, their live would repeat more or less the same.


If one practices self-consciousness their lives would be more prone to conscious opportunities from that practice.


This perception of mine is not a belief but derived from an actual life-experience.




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What kind of experience Bill? Tell me, I hope not the usual deja vu

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So, I'm sitting in a college math class. I'm about 20.

Had been reading Ouspensky.

When you read the philosopher Ouspensky the first time you actually work to live the philosophy that he describes.

Had this impossibly strange experience where time felt like it went up & down not sideways – not past, present, future.

I became lost in an infinity yet within a moment.

And I could see through my classmates. For, what must have been, a short period of time I was just as much my fellow students as I was myself.

I'm 60 now. Spent the rest of my life trying to duplicate that experience, in EVERY which way.

Never could experience that again.





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Ok, but I don't see experiences of previous lives in all this Bill. Indeed, it seems to me that you had a loss of your self-consciousness. I thought you had some sort of memory, but maybe I mistake.

Bill Wiltrack wrote:...

...Ive actually used this gif before. Probably in a similar line of thought.

So you learnt nothing from the before, figures.
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You ought to take a real good look at the gif Bill and think about what it really reveals about your subconscious.

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The experience does not lend itself to any type of sharing, at all.


Having said that I think I can say, with some clarity, that all of us repeat our lives over & over. There are certain circumstances that do change our path.

Being more or less conscious determines what influences will be a part of this particular go-round.




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I looked at the gif.

My sub-conscious?

I think I would need to exist in a self-conscious state for a while before I could understand a sub-conscious state.


The repetition of life and my seemingly tragic position to be able to realize my situation yet not strong enough to actually do anthing to change my purgatory...or hell?




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