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is consciousness supernatural and not a part of evolution.

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:23 pm
by jackles
Do you reckon consciousness all consciousness that is could be supernatural to the event and not there for evolving as in evolution of species.

Re: is consciousness supernatural and not a part of evolution.

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:04 am
by Dalek Prime
Not certain I quite understand what is being asked, but I do agree with Peter Wessel Zapffe that self-consciousness, or self-awareness, in humankind, is supernatural, in the sense that it separates us from the natural. Have you read Zapffe?

Re: is consciousness supernatural and not a part of evolution.

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:56 am
by jackles
No hsvnt read zappffe but certainly will now thanks

Re: is consciousness supernatural and not a part of evolution.

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:50 am
by Dalek Prime
Very welcome. Peter Wessel Zapffe is still mostly in Norwegian, but there is a translation of his essay, "The Last Messiah", floating about. Not a long read, but intense. He is by no means your typical philosopher. Class him in the heavy pessimism branch.

Cheers.

Re: is consciousness supernatural and not a part of evolution.

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:06 pm
by hammock
jackles wrote:Do you reckon consciousness all consciousness that is could be supernatural to the event and not there for evolving as in evolution of species.
It takes a system of components to instantiate the convergence of sentient showings and their cognitions (mind); ergo evolution or incremental development of some kind. The precursors might be available and universal beforehand: Storage, memory or persistence of structure; mechanistic activity; leading to a capacity for regulation and the carrying out of processes; with manifestation and quality being an objective or ontological property of matter rather than locally subjective (i.e., pan-phenomenalism); etc.

If one took historical license with "mind" or the more ancient "soul" to be humankind's first attempt to recognize an order-inducing form that could govern and manipulate content, then such an instructive power might be deemed as either underlying or being the universe itself. However, the actual category would have to be a step-up in generality to distinguish itself from such more specific subsets like mind/soul which traditionally seem to feature additional personhood characteristics. It's in the course of it being desirable to not repeat as an explanation for a cosmos the same nature of a cosmos again (virtual realities within virtual realities, endlessly), that one might want to cease the nested Russian doll syndrome with a radically different agency / lawful potency that is immaterial or non-spatiotemporal.

Re: is consciousness supernatural and not a part of evolution.

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:30 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
jackles wrote:Do you reckon consciousness all consciousness that is could be supernatural to the event and not there for evolving as in evolution of species.
Why would you think that?

An amoeba is aware of it's food, else it would be unable to use it's pseudopodia to envelope it. Science can show it response to the detection of chemical flags.
Surely this is fundamentally the same as a macro-organism such as a frog seeing a fly and snatching it out of the air, but on a much more complicated scale.
SO what is your problem here?

Re: is consciousness supernatural and not a part of evolution.

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:25 pm
by jackles
Well if consciousness is out side evolution as a supernatural element. Then as death it must be resbonsible for form changes in life forms.