What's the Difference Between the Narration in Your Head...

[Ginkgo]

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Say this was true(which it isn't) how would you know that its an 'estrangement of reality'? If this point is to subtle for you try it this way, 'How do you know this 'reality' you talk about? Given you've claimed everything is an estrangement.

See Descartes argument for the evil genius and then check out O.K. Bouwsma's response. It answer that question very well.

...we don't know. Knowledge alone cannot lead anywhere. For all knowledge, by it's own very inherent character can be successfully opposed at every quarter.


We must become. We must become the truth to whatever degree we are able to do that. Through self-awareness; self-consciousness.

Yes, that's correct because the thesis antithesis represents the whole idea. It is for this very reason that knowledge is able to progress.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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[Arising_uk]

.I think you're a just a little too emotional right now.

Au contraire billy boy, its just philosophising whereas your response is the usual gnu guff when you wish to avoid considering critique of your 'thoughts'.

Your posts reflect emotion instead of philosophical understanding.

You are projecting again as I'm pointing out clear epistemological contradictions in your 'thoughts' but I'm not surprised at your response as they are the actions of the gnu.

Don't know what porn you are referring to?

Of course you don't. But if you don't then you're blinder to your subconscious than I thought.

Perhaps - just give yourself a little time before you post again.

Nah!

And we'll forget about your above posts. Agreed!?[/size]

KMA gnu.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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Yeah. I really have to address this issue of yours.

It is apparent to anyone reading this thread that you have a problem.


You are, at this point, no longer able to focus-in on the philosophical nature of our conversations.


The personal attacks upon me DO NOT HELP the deep philosophical narrative that I continually work to construct.


Again, give it some time.

I think there is a bee under your bonnet but whatever it is that is bothering you, trust me, it has nothing to do with me.



As always, thank you for participating.


I hope things work themselves out in your personal life & I continue to support you and I, along with the rest of the active PhilosophyNow forum members, look forward to you returning to your insightful self.



Good luck my friend.





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[Wyman]

Bill, I actually agree with you somewhat here. Not the voices, but the paranoia. I have worked with several schizophrenics professionally. They are often very interesting and intelligent. I see the paranoia they exhibit as perhaps a difference of degree from the rest of us.

They usually believe that the CIA or aliens are monitoring their actions and thoughts. That's why you see them sometimes with tin foil helmets, or lining their homes with foil, to disrupt the 'rays.' Sometimes they also hang around courthouses or 'town hall' filing numerous papers against government agencies they allege to have violated their rights.

I see a great similarity between this aspect of the illness and many 'normal' people who believe in conspiracies or constantly seek to find esoteric or gnostic reasons for certain happenings that occur - especially events that occur to them directly and maybe 'hold them back' from reaching their true capabilities.

As to voices, I don't know. I do not see that as a difference of degree, but I won't discount it out of hand, since, stemming from the same cause (the illness, chemical imbalance, or whatever it is), it would make sense that the effects - the paranoia as well as the voices - would follow similar patterns.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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Thank you for having the courage to intelligently respond to this post.


I appreciate your expertise and I hope you will continue to follow and post here should this conversation expand beyond this point.




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[Arising_uk]

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Yeah. I really have to address this issue of yours.

It is apparent to anyone reading this thread that you have a problem.

Is it? Oh well, I'll live.

You are, at this point, no longer able to focus-in on the philosophical nature of our conversations.

And yet you appear to never be able to address my philosophical points?

Or answer anything with a question mark. Why is that?

The personal attacks upon me DO NOT HELP the deep philosophical narrative that I continually work to construct.

It's that I think your 'philosophical narrative' one of woe and despair and antithetical to the subject of philosophy that I question your story. That I think it driven by personal problems is based upon your own reciting of your issues, I have not made them up.

Again, give it some time.

Nah! Unlike you I pretty much think what I say and do not think that the voice I hear is narrating to me.

I think there is a bee under your bonnet but whatever it is that is bothering you, trust me, it has nothing to do with me.

Believe me it's all to do with you and what you promote, as it bothers me that the gnu still exists at this time in Philosophy.

As always, thank you for participating.

Your platitudes are empty of sincerity as the gnu plays to its audience.

I hope things work themselves out in your personal life & I continue to support you and I, along with the rest of the active PhilosophyNow forum members, look forward to you returning to your insightful self.

Things are going just dandy thanks and I need not such support as it comes from an insincere place and a confused and muddled mind.

See this talking for all the members bit? NPD and megalomania.

Good luck my friend.[/size]

KMA.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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Trust me...take a few deep breaths, take a lot of time before you even think of responding to this thread again...




And in the meantime, contemplate this; What's the Difference Between the Narration in Your Head, that you ALWAYS obey, and the voices that schizophrenics hear.





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One day, perhaps you will be strong enough and confident enough to join the rest of us in being able to accept that you are, to a degree, paranoid schizophrenic.


It's just the way it is...





*LifeProTip: Acceptance is the first step towards recovery...




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[Wyman]

What's the Difference Between the Narration in Your Head, that you ALWAYS obey

Arising probably covered this, but I for one don't have a narration in my head that I always obey. So this question doesn't make sense to me.

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Actually, the statement that you just posted above proves that you do have the same narration mechanism that the rest of us do.


You may not be aware of this voice but you react to it - in fact you associate yourself with this internal voice. This internal narration.




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[Arising_uk]

.Trust me...take a few deep breaths, take a lot of time before you even think of responding to this thread again...

Nah! As once more I'll point out to you that others don't have your issues with reading, thinking and writing ones thoughts.

And in the meantime, contemplate this; What's the Difference Between the Narration in Your Head, that you ALWAYS obey, and the voices that schizophrenics hear.

Once more, the voice in my head is mine and as such 'obey 'and narration do not come into it.

Now you contemplate this, I skimmed your wiki link and its obvious that you, as usual, haven't read it as it pretty much describes you, take a read of the symptoms.

One day, perhaps you will be strong enough and confident enough to join the rest of us in being able to accept that you are, to a degree, paranoid schizophrenic.

No Bill, this is you projecting your issues upon others in an attempt to rationalise them too yourself. I hope very soon you come to realise this and start to address them.

It's just the way it is...

No, its just the way you are.

*LifeProTip: Acceptance is the first step towards recovery...

I truly hope you take your own advice very soon.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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When you state, the voice in my head is mine and as such 'obey 'and narration do not come into it I don't doubt that.


Nor do I doubt that you believe that the voice in your head is you.



I don't want to tax you nor do I wish to embarras you, but this thread, to fully understand it, may require at least a modicum of philosophical insight.



The voice in your head - is not you. Just as a certified schizophrenic, you actually are lead by that voice...by that narration.





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Thanks for participating. I'm sure this philosophical cough of yours is temporary and probably caused by some outer, unrelated circumstances.







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[Arising_uk]

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When you state, the voice in my head is mine and as such 'obey 'and narration do not come into it I don't doubt that.

Good.

Nor do I doubt that you believe that the voice in your head is you.

Your doubt is in error as I believe that the voice in my head is a part of me. What I think of as 'me' is as a body with senses in an external world, a body which allows it to be a self-conscious being with language.

I don't want to tax you nor do I wish to embarras you, but this thread, to fully understand it, may require at least a modicum of philosophical insight.

I understand this thread very well, you say you have a voice in your head that narrates to you and which you are led by and have to obey. You think this is the same as being a paranoid schizophrenic and I agree with you, you are heading towards paranoid schizophrenia. Your mistake is in thinking everyone else has the same issue.

Let me tell you why I think you are no philosopher and just another gnu; your thread title displays it all, as you purport to ask a question but ignore the responses to it as this is not your game, you already believe you have the answer. Now if you were of a philosophical mien you would say something like 'There is no difference between ...' and give your reasons and defend them in discussion but since you are a gnu you deceive.

The voice in your head - is not you. Just as a certified schizophrenic, you actually are lead by that voice...by that narration. [/size]

I know its not me, its a part of me and I'm not lead by it but use it to express my thoughts to myself. However I can also not use it and its very rarely a narration, apart from when I do something spectacularly stupid.

Thanks for participating. I'm sure this philosophical cough of yours is temporary and probably caused by some outer, unrelated circumstances.

Save your gnu platitudes for those stupid enough to fall for them.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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To be clear, I did not call you spectacularly stupid.


I did not say any of your responses are spectacularly stupid.


I have no idea what happens in your personal life and if someone called you that name - spectacularly stupid you need to reflect and address that or those individuals.



I do hope one day you will be able to apply your readings of philosophy and of philosophers to use in your multidimensional life that exists within and far beyond this forum.


Hopefully you are young.


I do stand with my statements about LPN or whatever that philosophy is that you follow.


I know my words may have been hurtful to you in relation to your philosophy but I employ you to wiki that philosophy that you follow and place the link here - out in the open.


All the best to you.


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[Arising_uk]

Notice how you are congenitally unable to discuss or defend your thoughts. Is this because they are not yours but this narrator who tells you what to do and you have no thoughts of your own?

To be clear, I did not call you spectacularly stupid.

True, you treated me as such with your insincere platitudes.

I did not say any of your responses are spectacularly stupid.

That'll be because they aren't.

I have no idea what happens in your personal life and if someone called you that name - spectacularly stupid you need to reflect and address that or those individuals.

Nah! That is something that I've rarely been called and as I said generally by myself.

I do hope one day you will be able to apply your readings of philosophy and of philosophers to use in your multidimensional life that exists within and far beyond this forum.

No idea what the gnu phrase 'multidimensional life' means but if you mean real as opposed to virtual life then hope no more as I've read Philosophy and taken and applied it to my real life.

Hopefully you are young.

Nah! Well on my way.

I do stand with my statements about LPN or whatever that philosophy is that you follow.

You have no statements about NLP as you have no experience of it, just wiki quotes. I don't follow, I apply what I find useful.

I know my words may have been hurtful to you in relation to your philosophy but I employ you to wiki that philosophy that you follow and place the link here - out in the open.

Once again you know not and mistake your emotional states for others. Why should I place the wiki links that you've placed often on this matter? Especially since I think wiki not the font of all wisdom.
Still, people might find this of interest;
Encyclopedia of NLP

All the best to you.[/size].

Please!
p.s.
Nice diversion, saves you from having to address the issues about your 'thoughts'.