What's the Difference Between the Narration in Your Head...

[creativesoul]

Seems to me that knowing the difference between what's true and what's not is a good start. Knowing what sorts of things can be true and what it takes in order to be is a prerequisite. To the OP...

Hearing voices isn't necessarily equivalent to being insane.

The difference is that the insane folk cannot tell the difference between what's true, what's real, and what's not.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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First off THANK YOU for participating in this thread. And welcome.

Looking back upon this thread and re-reading...this may be one of the most important Philosophy of Mind threads I have ever created.



Respectfully, I have never used the term insane within this thread so you're kind-of breaking new ground.



To your points:

Hearing voices is a significant characteristic of being insane.

Can any of us tell the difference between what's true, what's real, and what's not?




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What's the Difference Between the Narration in Your Head, that you ALWAYS obey, and the voices that schizophrenics hear?








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Are you able to accept that you are, to a degree, paranoid schizophrenic?








*LifeProTip: Acceptance is the first step towards recovery...




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[creativesoul]

Looking back upon this thread and re-reading...this may be one of the most important Philosophy of Mind threads I have ever created.

Was it maybe one of the most important before or after looking back?

Respectfully, I have never used the term insane within this thread so you're kind-of breaking new ground.

I suppose one could see it that way. I mean, I may be 'breaking new ground' by virtue of the words i'm choosing to report on things. What I'm reporting on hasn't changed a bit though. I've just worded things differently.

Hearing voices is a significant characteristic of being insane.

It's not the only one. Thus, hearing voices alone doesn't equate to being insane.

Can any of us tell the difference[/b] between what's true, what's real, and what's not?

Sure we can.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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It's not the only one. Thus, hearing voices alone doesn't equate to being insane.


Thus, hearing voices alone doesn't equate to being insane. - I'm sorry. Did I say hearing voices alone equates to being insane?



Are you sure you are able to distinguish between what's true, what's real, and what's not?


Think about that before you answer...


...because, to be honest with you, I haven't seen that ability in you thus far...I mean, with all due respect, thus far, you haven't been able to distinguish what I have actually said from what you want me to have stated - I guess...I don't know. I can't figure out what overall point you are attempting to make. There is a narration in your head that I don't think is generating well in this outer REAL world.





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[Arising_uk]

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... Looking back upon this thread and re-reading...this may be one of the most important Philosophy of Mind threads I have ever created.

NPD and megalomania.

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To your points:

Hearing voices is a significant characteristic of being insane.

Can any of us tell the difference between what's true, what's real, and what's not?

Yes. It's pretty much the definition of sanity.

What's the Difference Between the Narration in Your Head, that you ALWAYS obey, and the voices that schizophrenics hear?

That you've already been told but refuse to listen pretty much makes you either mad or a gnu, I know which I think is true.

Are you able to accept that you are, to a degree, paranoid schizophrenic?

No, as the difference is that I recognise that the voice in my head is not an other.

*LifeProTip: Acceptance is the first step towards recovery...

Spoken like an addict. When will you be accepting your condition?

[creativesoul]

Did I say hearing voices alone equates to being insane?

No you didn't, but it is clearly implied. I mean, what was the point of asking the reader if we were ready to admit that we are, to some degree, paranoid schitzophrenic if you do not think that hearing voices makes one that way, "to some degree"?

[Bill Wiltrack]

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I am asking the reader to at least recognize the fact that all of us have elements and characteristics of clinical mental illness.

Realize that we are all the same and we may venture between insanity and/or clarity of mind all within the scope of one day or even one hour.


There are degrees of relativity.




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[creativesoul]

We are not all the same with regard to that much. There are many common denominators between humans, being insane isn't one of them.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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[Arising_uk]

.I am asking the reader to at least recognize the fact that all of us have elements and characteristics of clinical mental illness.'

Your error is that you can't have 'elements and characteristics of clinical mental illness' as if there are such things then they are not clinical mental illnesses. You are trying to rationalise away your issues by trying to project them upon others, stop this and start to address them for yourself.

Realize that we are all the same and we may venture between insanity and/or clarity of mind all within the scope of one day or even one hour.

We are not all the same, in fact its pretty much the definition of a human that we are all different.

There are degrees of relativity.

Well dur! What a gnu you are.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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I am respectfully asking the reader to attempt to understand that all of us have elements of mental illness.

The narration that's in our head; That is in itself an estrangement of reality.


Mental illness & mental clarity is a matter of degrees... and at times even these degrees become blurred.



As I have stated before, it's Okay if you do not initially understand this particular philosophical thesis that I am presenting here.


Let's say this could be considered a relatively subtle philosophical concept.


I thank you all for participating in what has become one of my most rewarding threads upon this forum.





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[Arising_uk]

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The narration that's in our head; That is in itself an estrangement of reality.

Say this was true(which it isn't) how would you know that its an 'estrangement of reality'? If this point is to subtle for you try it this way, 'How do you know this 'reality' you talk about? Given you've claimed everything is an estrangement.

Mental illness & mental clarity is a matter of degrees... and at times even these degrees become blurred.

Give an example?

As I have stated before, it's Okay if you do not initially understand this particular philosophical thesis that I am presenting here.

Oh I understand it, you've latched onto the NLP idea of voice as one representation of thought and compared it to this voice you have that narrates to you and confused the latter with the former. If you have a voice that is narrating to you then you are showing earlier signs of mental instability, seek help.

Let's say this could be considered a relatively subtle philosophical concept.

Nah! Lets say its the product of the loon trying to rationalise their issues by projecting them upon others.

I thank you all for participating in what has become one of my most rewarding threads upon this forum.[/size]

NPD and megalomania, look them up.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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Think about it...Your quote actually substantiates my thesis:


Say this was true(which it isn't) how would you know that its an 'estrangement of reality'? If this point is to subtle for you try it this way, 'How do you know this 'reality' you talk about? Given you've claimed everything is an estrangement.




...we don't know. Knowledge alone cannot lead anywhere. For all knowledge, by it's own very inherent character can be successfully opposed at every quarter.


We must become. We must become the truth to whatever degree we are able to do that. Through self-awareness; self-consciousness.





I, I don't know if I told you this before but I believe NLP is madness. My intuition will not allow me to accept that discipline. It's garbage.


But I think I told you that before.





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[Arising_uk]

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Think about it...Your quote actually substantiates my thesis:

I knew you wouldn't understand as you're too convinced of your own 'insight'.

Say this was true(which it isn't) how would you know that its an 'estrangement of reality'? If this point is to subtle for you try it this way, 'How do you know this 'reality' you talk about? Given you've claimed everything is an estrangement.

...we don't know. ...

So once again, how do you know this? How do you know we don't know? If you do know then by default you don't know this 'reality' that we are 'estranged' from so your claim that there is one is false. But you won't get this as you actually do think you know this 'reality' that we can't know as you are a gnu.

Knowledge alone cannot lead anywhere. For all knowledge, by it's own very inherent character can be successfully opposed at every quarter.

No it can't, "I Am" cannot be challenged, neither can "I Think" nor can "I exist" nor "Something cannot exist and not exist at the same time", etc, etc, Logic rules this reality.

We must become. We must become the truth to whatever degree we are able to do that. Through self-awareness; self-consciousness.

Of which you show a remarkable lack. There is no 'the truth' just truth and true, that you want 'the' shows that you are just another gnu. Return to your faith as your existential angst is caused by its loss.

I, I don't know if I told you this before but I believe NLP is madness. My intuition will not allow me to accept that discipline. It's garbage.

That's because you have no idea what you talk about but like to do so anyway and your 'intuition' is fear of change.
p.s.
Not surprised porn is your bag, grow-up, have a family, stop abusing yourself.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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I think you're a just a little too emotional right now.


Your posts reflect emotion instead of philosophical understanding.



Don't know what porn you are referring to?



Perhaps - just give yourself a little time before you post again.


And we'll forget about your above posts. Agreed!?






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