space and consciousness

Is the mind the same as the body? What is consciousness? Can machines have it?

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space and consciousness

Post by jackles » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:48 am

is consciousness space. there is a deep rooted conection between space and consiousness.but is consciousness space are they space and consciousness in fact indistinguishable from one another.the event takes place in space(consciousness). are you consciouse of space or is space consciousness.

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Re: space and consciousness

Post by hammock » Tue Mar 25, 2014 4:42 am

First: Space allowed objects to co-exist or be distinguished / individuated from each other in perceptual experiences (as well as personal imaginations, dreams, etc). Time similarly enabled the mutable states of the "same" object to be distinct from each other as a sequence of changes.

Reflective thought then extracted those space / time forms underlying immediate consciousness (the "given", knowledge prior to linguistic understanding), and treated them as wholly independent of such organizing and discriminating characteristics of minds (what Kant coined "transcendent realism").

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Re: space and consciousness

Post by jackles » Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:42 am

thats right the observer in terms of general relativity is counted as being unmoving space .i think

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Re: space and consciousness

Post by Blaggard » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:32 pm

There's no such thing as unmoving space jackles and no way of deriving a fixed point in space or centre of the universe it is a principle derived from both special and general relativity that all objects are comoving.

The Earth is moving at about 30km/s and spinning at about 1000mph.

It also goes round in orbit about galactic central point about every 3 million years, it is also part of an expanding co moving fabric of time and space, and for example is due to collide with andromeda forming an even larger galaxy.

There are no fixed points there is no object anywhere that is hence non relative. And time and space are different for different observers hence by the same laws of reality, objectivity about time is impossible and absolute time is equally ridiculous.

What you are on about just sounds like a mangling of Buddhist/Hindu philosophy of being atma or one with the universe and the laws of relativity. What follows is an explanation of why magic does not exist. ;)

http://blog.wolfram.com/2011/07/28/how- ... unflowers/

Nature is more than the sum of its parts.

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It’s really magical that this works at all, since the spatial relationship of each seed to its neighbors is unique, changing constantly as the pattern expands outwardly—unlike, say, the cells in a honeycomb, which are all equivalent. I wondered if the same magic could be applied to surfaces that are not flat, like spheres, toruses, or wine glasses. It’s an interesting question from an aesthetic point of view, but also a practical one: the answer has applications in space exploration and modern architecture.

To reproduce the flat sunflower pattern mathematically, you need to know three secrets of the arrangement:

Seeds spiral outward from the center, each positioned at a fixed angle relative to its predecessor.
The fixed angle is the golden angle, γ = 2π(1 – 1/Φ), where Φ is the golden ratio.
The ith seed in the pattern is placed at a distance from the center proportional to the square root of i.
Imaginary numbers ah is there nothing you cannot do! ;)

And what does the above have to do with this?

Everything literally all life is modelled on wave particle dualities equations it is a ToE not a theory of evolution but a Thoery of Everything.

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The Dirac equation which can model hydrogen spectra also see Fynman's path integral formula for more details. ;)


Incidentally a definite integral is entirely the sum of its parts, by defintion.

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Which is why a Gaussian is used to model probability densities and electromagnetic phenomena such as electron flow, voltage, quantum mechanics and everything stochastic rather than classical.

Hence:
Relativistic Breit–Wigner distribution

The relativistic Breit–Wigner distribution (after Gregory Breit and Eugene Wigner) is a continuous probability distribution with the following probability density function:[1]

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Where k is the constant of proportionality, equal to

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(This equation is written using natural units, ħ = c = 1.) It is most often used to model resonances (unstable particles) in high-energy physics. In this case E is the center-of-mass energy that produces the resonance, M is the mass of the resonance, and Γ is the resonance width (or decay width), related to its mean lifetime according to τ = 1/Γ. (With units included, the formula is τ = ħ/Γ.) The probability of producing the resonance at a given energy E is proportional to f(E), so that a plot of the production rate of the unstable particle as a function of energy traces out the shape of the relativistic Breit–Wigner distribution.

In general, Γ can also be a function of E; this dependence is typically only important when Γ is not small compared to M and the phase space-dependence of the width needs to be taken into account. (For example, in the decay of the rho meson into a pair of pions.) The factor of M2 that multiplies Γ2 should also be replaced with E2 (or E4/M2, etc.) when the resonance is wide.[2]

The form of the relativistic Breit–Wigner distribution arises from the propagator of an unstable particle, which has a denominator of the form p2 − M2 + iMΓ. Here p2 is the square of the four-momentum carried by the particle. The propagator appears in the quantum mechanical amplitude for the process that produces the resonance; the resulting probability distribution is proportional to the absolute square of the amplitude, yielding the relativistic Breit–Wigner distribution for the probability density function as given above.

The form of this distribution is similar to the solution of the classical equation of motion for a damped harmonic oscillator driven by a sinusoidal external force.

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Re: space and consciousness

Post by jackles » Tue Mar 25, 2014 4:01 pm

vacuum + energy = space + energy event plus consciousness of the energy event (including time) regs jackles.so is space moving or unmoving in any terms including time.or is space only distinguishable from time in a consciouse way by an observer.

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Re: space and consciousness

Post by Blaggard » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:27 pm

space and time are moving relatively in space time, if I throw a ball at a wall the ball moves through space and time in an exact relationship with time. In the same way the constant c=speed of light in a vacuum is used to derive the SI units of length and by doing so time also.

speed = distance/time taken

ie m/s = speed m/s^2 or meters per second per second = acceleration.

The universe is expanding at faster than the speed of light. So everything is basically being stretched or attenuated like two people pulling apart a rubber sheet 100million light years at least across, hence Doppler or red shifts of stars over time. Mostly stars observe red shift, but if a star is on a collision course with another relative to a planet on the star you may well see both red and blue shift as the Earth goes roundy round. We know Andromeda is going to collide with us because all the stars in its galaxy are blue shifting with relation to us, indicating it is on a direct collusion course with the milky way. Worry not though galaxies are pretty diffuse it is likely all we will get is a pretty spectacular light show in about 4 billion years time. Of course by then the Earth will be too hot to sustain life but meh, and it only has a bout a billion years after that before it is swallowed up by our sun in a red giant.

If you lengthen the wavelength of light it blue shifts if you shorten it it red shifts. It's called attenuation and it's a homonym of stretching.

The transverse of one star passed a binary star can hence determine if the star has planets or other stars by using some neat geometry. Also you can determine if life may exist by using interferometry when the star passes the other sun, by filtering out colours we recognise as signatures of life, that do not exist in the parent stars body, such as the greens of chlorophyll.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXdRts6kJC0

Incidentally it should look something like this:^^^

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