Knowledge is Pattern Formation

Is the mind the same as the body? What is consciousness? Can machines have it?

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Knowledge is Pattern Formation

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We observe through patterns, patterns act as the filter for further knowledge with this further knowledge being a pattern which acts in turn much like a filter.

The human mind continually renews itself through the patterns recieved given those which make it through the filter in turn act as meta patterns, or patterns within a pattern. The pattern in absorbing new patterns becomes a more complex pattern as it incorporates that which it previously lacked.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:03 pm We observe through patterns, patterns act as the filter for further knowledge with this further knowledge being a pattern which acts in turn much like a filter.
It can also be said, and equally correct, that;

'We', human beings, observe through the five senses, and if allowed the sixth sense, thee Mind, Itself, is able to very simply and very easily decipher and discern between what is actually True and Right from what is actually False and Wrong.

Thee Mind has the ability to decode the knowledge/information, which is stored within a human brain/a computer, into what is ACTUALLY True, Right, and Correct.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:03 pm The human mind
Contrary to 'your', and to popular, BELIEF, in the days when this was being written, there is NO "human mind".
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:03 pm continually renews itself through the patterns recieved given those which make it through the filter in turn act as meta patterns, or patterns within a pattern.
So, when EXACTLY do these, supposed, "human minds" get old and thus need renewing?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:03 pm The pattern in absorbing new patterns becomes a more complex pattern as it incorporates that which it previously lacked.
Sounds all very complex, and thus way to hard to FULLY UNDERSTAND, especially considering the fact that 'you' are claiming, 'this' all becomes "a more complex pattern".

Which, to me, just sounds like a 'cop out' for 'you' NOT YET KNOWING.
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Age wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:12 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:03 pm We observe through patterns, patterns act as the filter for further knowledge with this further knowledge being a pattern which acts in turn much like a filter.
It can also be said, and equally correct, that;

'We', human beings, observe through the five senses, and if allowed the sixth sense, thee Mind, Itself, is able to very simply and very easily decipher and discern between what is actually True and Right from what is actually False and Wrong.

Thee Mind has the ability to decode the knowledge/information, which is stored within a human brain/a computer, into what is ACTUALLY True, Right, and Correct.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:03 pm The human mind
Contrary to 'your', and to popular, BELIEF, in the days when this was being written, there is NO "human mind".
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:03 pm continually renews itself through the patterns recieved given those which make it through the filter in turn act as meta patterns, or patterns within a pattern.
So, when EXACTLY do these, supposed, "human minds" get old and thus need renewing?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:03 pm The pattern in absorbing new patterns becomes a more complex pattern as it incorporates that which it previously lacked.
Sounds all very complex, and thus way to hard to FULLY UNDERSTAND, especially considering the fact that 'you' are claiming, 'this' all becomes "a more complex pattern".

Which, to me, just sounds like a 'cop out' for 'you' NOT YET KNOWING.
1. The sixth sense connects and seperates the senses and that which they observe.

2. If there is no human mind then what is being observed when the words "human mind" are being used?

3. When the pattern, ie knowledge which forms a perspective, is unable to absorb further patterns, ie knowledge.

4. One pattern absorbs another pattern thus acting as a new pattern which is more complex then the previous. If all is patterns then there is no "cop out" in describing it in such a way.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:05 am
Age wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:12 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:03 pm We observe through patterns, patterns act as the filter for further knowledge with this further knowledge being a pattern which acts in turn much like a filter.
It can also be said, and equally correct, that;

'We', human beings, observe through the five senses, and if allowed the sixth sense, thee Mind, Itself, is able to very simply and very easily decipher and discern between what is actually True and Right from what is actually False and Wrong.

Thee Mind has the ability to decode the knowledge/information, which is stored within a human brain/a computer, into what is ACTUALLY True, Right, and Correct.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:03 pm The human mind
Contrary to 'your', and to popular, BELIEF, in the days when this was being written, there is NO "human mind".
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:03 pm continually renews itself through the patterns recieved given those which make it through the filter in turn act as meta patterns, or patterns within a pattern.
So, when EXACTLY do these, supposed, "human minds" get old and thus need renewing?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:03 pm The pattern in absorbing new patterns becomes a more complex pattern as it incorporates that which it previously lacked.
Sounds all very complex, and thus way to hard to FULLY UNDERSTAND, especially considering the fact that 'you' are claiming, 'this' all becomes "a more complex pattern".

Which, to me, just sounds like a 'cop out' for 'you' NOT YET KNOWING.
1. The sixth sense connects and seperates the senses and that which they observe.

2. If there is no human mind then what is being observed when the words "human mind" are being used?

3. When the pattern, ie knowledge which forms a perspective, is unable to absorb further patterns, ie knowledge.

4. One pattern absorbs another pattern thus acting as a new pattern which is more complex then the previous. If all is patterns then there is no "cop out" in describing it in such a way.
1. What EXACTLY is the 'sixth sense'?

2. To me, NOTHING, or 'thoughts'. Depending on what context those words are being used in. What do you observe when the words human mind" are being used?

4. if, and when, someone says, "which is more complex", instead of being able to just explain EXACTLY what they are talking and/or 'trying to' explain, then that, to me, is just a 'cop out'.

Now, if ALL is patterns, then this is EXTREMELY SIMPLE to understand and explain, and NOT "more complex", AT ALL.

If ALL is patterns, then there is just One, and ONLY, One (Pattern), which is just thee, united, Pattern, of ALL patterns.

Just like, if ALL is things, then there is just One, and ONLY, One (Thing), which is just thee, united, Thing, of ALL things.

Just like, if ALL is One, then there is just One, and ONLY, One, which is just thee, united, One, of EVERY one.

When EVERY one is united, or combined together as One, then, literally, EVERY one becomes Everyone, or thee One and ONLY One.
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Age wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:01 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:05 am
Age wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:12 am

It can also be said, and equally correct, that;

'We', human beings, observe through the five senses, and if allowed the sixth sense, thee Mind, Itself, is able to very simply and very easily decipher and discern between what is actually True and Right from what is actually False and Wrong.

Thee Mind has the ability to decode the knowledge/information, which is stored within a human brain/a computer, into what is ACTUALLY True, Right, and Correct.



Contrary to 'your', and to popular, BELIEF, in the days when this was being written, there is NO "human mind".



So, when EXACTLY do these, supposed, "human minds" get old and thus need renewing?



Sounds all very complex, and thus way to hard to FULLY UNDERSTAND, especially considering the fact that 'you' are claiming, 'this' all becomes "a more complex pattern".

Which, to me, just sounds like a 'cop out' for 'you' NOT YET KNOWING.
1. The sixth sense connects and seperates the senses and that which they observe.

2. If there is no human mind then what is being observed when the words "human mind" are being used?

3. When the pattern, ie knowledge which forms a perspective, is unable to absorb further patterns, ie knowledge.

4. One pattern absorbs another pattern thus acting as a new pattern which is more complex then the previous. If all is patterns then there is no "cop out" in describing it in such a way.
1. What EXACTLY is the 'sixth sense'?

2. To me, NOTHING, or 'thoughts'. Depending on what context those words are being used in. What do you observe when the words human mind" are being used?

4. if, and when, someone says, "which is more complex", instead of being able to just explain EXACTLY what they are talking and/or 'trying to' explain, then that, to me, is just a 'cop out'.

Now, if ALL is patterns, then this is EXTREMELY SIMPLE to understand and explain, and NOT "more complex", AT ALL.

If ALL is patterns, then there is just One, and ONLY, One (Pattern), which is just thee, united, Pattern, of ALL patterns.

Just like, if ALL is things, then there is just One, and ONLY, One (Thing), which is just thee, united, Thing, of ALL things.

Just like, if ALL is One, then there is just One, and ONLY, One, which is just thee, united, One, of EVERY one.

When EVERY one is united, or combined together as One, then, literally, EVERY one becomes Everyone, or thee One and ONLY One.
1. Thought and memory as one. Or rather thought then memory as a seventh sense.

2. An image of the universal mind.

3. A pattern within a pattern is a more complex pattern...this is an explanation. The pattern was once simple then it becomes more complex. This complexity is multiple dimensions within one phenomenon, that phenomenon being consciousness that is, with this multitude of dimensions allow for the consciousness to absorb many further phenonomenon.

4. All patterns are loops given they have the an end point which starts at the beginning if traced out. As such pattern formation is a loop absorbing a loop. This absorbing of loops within loops, as one loop is a grade of another, necessitates the most universal pattern being a loop. This loop takes on the nature of a sphere given the sphere is multiple 2d loops changing into further 2d loops through depth.

5. United necessitates parts as one part is joined to another.
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Knowledge is a pattern. Thinking is pattern formation.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:03 pm We observe through patterns, patterns act as the filter for further knowledge with this further knowledge being a pattern which acts in turn much like a filter.

The human mind continually renews itself through the patterns recieved given those which make it through the filter in turn act as meta patterns, or patterns within a pattern. The pattern in absorbing new patterns becomes a more complex pattern as it incorporates that which it previously lacked.
A pattern is information.

A person considers past patterns in making decisions.

The complexities of all patterns is simplified to only considering patterns that are currently important to the decision maker.
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I have a four step process, I would Like to share:

The first, is the self-imposition of computation, being the emotion's ability to lunge at the invader.
The second, is the emotion's desire to seek out the death physics, due to the knowledge of theology's computation fix
The third, is the emotion to demonstrate being the final access, to the Clark Gable rollercoaster
The fourth, is the travel with philosophy on the same rollercoaster being the fear of not of but for the sociology perfection's outside the seat of symmetry


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Never thought about it before but even the perception of an object conceived as a whole has to be an overall pattern. Apparent reality is the experience of wave frequencies but likely these frequencies represent to us patterns, frequencies themselves being patterned energy. Interesting thread thanks for posting it. Experience is meaning is knowledge and all is reaction. One can actually understand disease in this way, the dis-ease which is not due to injury or the wear of old age is a reaction to a foreign body or substance or both.
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knowledge is more than quickly touching a container filled with cremated remains...

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Knowledge is perceptual experience.
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popeye1945 wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:29 am Knowledge is perceptual experience.
Really Poppy? You arrogant twat. Are you certain that I shouldn't be on this forum, but that you should?

KNOWLEDGE is STORAGE of analysed perceptual experience.
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attofishpi wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:56 am
popeye1945 wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:29 am Knowledge is perceptual experience.
Really Poppy? You arrogant twat. Are you certain that I shouldn't be on this forum, but that you should?

KNOWLEDGE is STORAGE of analysed perceptual experience.
atto.

Your a pleasant chap---lol!! Tell me how do you spontaneously move through the world engaging and avoiding, by accessing your memory banks?
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popeye1945 wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:24 pm
attofishpi wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:56 am
popeye1945 wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:29 am Knowledge is perceptual experience.
Really Poppy? You arrogant twat. Are you certain that I shouldn't be on this forum, but that you should?

KNOWLEDGE is STORAGE of analysed perceptual experience.
atto.

Your a pleasant chap---lol!!
I was, until you accused me of backing out of a challenge (that I made to you, and YOU failed to take on) and stated I should not be on a philosophy forum.

popeye1945 wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:24 pm Tell me how do you spontaneously move through the world engaging and avoiding, by accessing your memory banks?
That's a stupid question! Why don't you tell me, how the fuck you can do ANYTHING (including the above), without accessing your memory banks? (there are only two things)
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:03 pm We observe through patterns, patterns act as the filter for further knowledge with this further knowledge being a pattern which acts in turn much like a filter.

The human mind continually renews itself through the patterns recieved given those which make it through the filter in turn act as meta patterns, or patterns within a pattern. The pattern in absorbing new patterns becomes a more complex pattern as it incorporates that which it previously lacked.
WHAT, EXACTLY, is this 'human mind', which you speak of here? And,

WHERE, EXACTLY, does this 'human mind' thing EXIST or LAY, PRECISELY?

Let us OBSERVE and SEE what 'pattern formed' 'knowledge' you REALLY have regarding this here.
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