Thinking is the ability of mind

Is the mind the same as the body? What is consciousness? Can machines have it?

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jayjacobus wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 3:55 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 12:02 pm Is not the subconscious mind just the consciousness of the body, it was after all the body that created the mind, not the mind that created the body.
It is not known what created the mind.
Yes indeed it is known, that there are life forms without a brain that nevertheless are conscious, also organisms that have a simple ganglion which later in evolutionary development becomes a brain stem, the brain stem then developing into a full brain. The brain developed from the inside out thus indicating the earliest parts such as the R complex belonging to our reptilian ancestors. So no, it is not an utter mystery it is the evolutionary development of eons.
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popeye1945 wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 12:27 am
jayjacobus wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 3:55 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 12:02 pm Is not the subconscious mind just the consciousness of the body, it was after all the body that created the mind, not the mind that created the body.
It is not known what created the mind.
Yes indeed it is known, that there are life forms without a brain that nevertheless are conscious, also organisms that have a simple ganglion which later in evolutionary development becomes a brain stem, the brain stem then developing into a full brain. The brain developed from the inside out thus indicating the earliest parts such as the R complex belonging to our reptilian ancestors. So no, it is not an utter mystery it is the evolutionary development of eons.
AND, what is 'the mind', EXACTLY, to you?
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Age wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 1:38 am
popeye1945 wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 12:27 am
jayjacobus wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 3:55 pm

It is not known what created the mind.
Yes indeed it is known, that there are life forms without a brain that nevertheless are conscious, also organisms that have a simple ganglion which later in evolutionary development becomes a brain stem, the brain stem then developing into a full brain. The brain developed from the inside out thus indicating the earliest parts such as the R complex belonging to our reptilian ancestors. So no, it is not an utter mystery it is the evolutionary development of eons.
AND, what is 'the mind', EXACTLY, to you?
Consciousness!
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popeye1945 wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 2:28 am
Age wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 1:38 am
popeye1945 wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 12:27 am

Yes indeed it is known, that there are life forms without a brain that nevertheless are conscious, also organisms that have a simple ganglion which later in evolutionary development becomes a brain stem, the brain stem then developing into a full brain. The brain developed from the inside out thus indicating the earliest parts such as the R complex belonging to our reptilian ancestors. So no, it is not an utter mystery it is the evolutionary development of eons.
AND, what is 'the mind', EXACTLY, to you?
Consciousness!
If 'consciousness' is nothing more that just 'being aware', then 'the mind' is also just 'being aware', correct?

Now, you might say that 'consciousness' is NOT 'being aware', which, if you were to, then I would ask you what is 'consciousness', to you, EXACTLY?
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Age,
Consciousness is being aware of yourself in the world, as in what can sustain or undermine your being. Even a cockroach is fearful of things that might harm it, or conditions that it could not survive within.
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popeye1945 wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 12:16 am
bahman wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 3:16 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 12:02 pm Is not the subconscious mind just the consciousness of the body, it was after all the body that created the mind, not the mind that created the body.
The mind cannot be created or destroyed. Subconscious mind tasks are huge, from memory, creating quale, etc.
bahman,

The mind cannot be created or destroyed is a nonsense statement, it is destroyed everyday and the fact that all things are temporal in nature makes your statement absurd.
This is the argument for the immortality of the mind (the mind cannot be destroyed): viewtopic.php?f=10&t=33235. Once you are happy with this I give you another proof, the mind cannot be created.
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Give me an example of anything immortal.
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popeye1945 wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 4:58 am Give me an example of anything immortal.
Mind. Did you read and understand my argument?
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popeye1945 wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 12:27 am
jayjacobus wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 3:55 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 12:02 pm Is not the subconscious mind just the consciousness of the body, it was after all the body that created the mind, not the mind that created the body.
It is not known what created the mind.
Yes indeed it is known, that there are life forms without a brain that nevertheless are conscious, also organisms that have a simple ganglion which later in evolutionary development becomes a brain stem, the brain stem then developing into a full brain. The brain developed from the inside out thus indicating the earliest parts such as the R complex belonging to our reptilian ancestors. So no, it is not an utter mystery it is the evolutionary development of eons.
That explains the evolution of the brain. It doesn't explain where the mind came from.

You have equated the mind to the brain. But the brain is not aware.
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Mind is a function of the brain/body.
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bahman wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 3:32 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 4:58 am Give me an example of anything immortal.
Mind. Did you read and understand my argument?
You stated the mind can not be created or destroyed. What am I missing here in this temporal world.
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popeye1945 wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 8:57 pm Mind is a function of the brain/body.
That is just a claim. Did you read my argument about the existence of the mind?
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popeye1945 wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 9:03 pm
bahman wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 3:32 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 4:58 am Give me an example of anything immortal.
Mind. Did you read and understand my argument?
You stated the mind can not be created or destroyed. What am I missing here in this temporal world.
What is your point?
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lol!! forget it!
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popeye1945 wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 10:36 pm lol!! forget it!
Now it is time that I spank you! :mrgreen:
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