You say Matter creates Qualia and there isn't anything extra. The Qualia is the extra thing.bahman wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 11:25 amYou didn't answer the question. I don't see anything except matter which could cause experience or qualia.SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 3:10 pmWith your question you have realized what the Explanatory Gap and the Hard Problem of Consciousness is all about.
We don't know how the redness is created but we can without doubt say that that is due to neuron firing.SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 3:10 pmThe Conscious Property of Redness seems to be something that is not in the Physical World that Science can explain right now. Think about the Redness of the Red experience. What is that? How do we See it? How could just Neural Activity produce it. Physicalists insist that the Redness experience must be in the Neurons but they cannot say how this could happen. This oneness of Physical Phenomena and Conscious Phenomena seems to be more of a Hope than any kind of Scientific finding. it is actually more Scientific and Logical to start with the premise that Consciousness is in some separate Category of Phenomena than to start with the premise that Consciousness has to be in the Neurons.
Matter creates qualia. We don't have anything extra.SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 3:10 pmI am a Dualist. I recognize the reality of Qualia as real Phenomena that must be explained.
What a person report is a part of our measurement. We don't need to touch a hot thing to believe that it is hot when there is a thermometer.SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 3:10 pmBut you are always only measuring Neural Activity, which is the Easy Problem of Consciousness. You are never directly measuring the Conscious experience which is the Hard Problem of Consciousness. You are always just assuming particular Conscious experiences from your Neural Activity measurements. You might think that measuring the actual Conscious experience is absurd and impossible, but this is what Science must eventually figure out how to do. It is the Hard Problem of Consciousness.
If Science could explain how Qualia comes from Matter then the Hard Problem and the Explanatory Gap would be solved.
But you do have to touch a hot thing at least once to understand what the sensation is.
When you map between Physical State and Conscious State you are only showing what the Neural Correlates of Consciousness are. You are not describing any kind of mechanism that shows how the Physical State produces the Conscious State. After you map the Physical State to the Conscious State you have a Huge Explanatory Gap between the two.