## Imagination as a Negative Dimension

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### Imagination as a Negative Dimension

Imagination as a Negative Dimension

The observation of phenomena is dependent upon a connection between the phenomena, in which the phenomena in themselves are relegated to points that must connect to form a further point as the phenomena itself.

This connection of phenomena is a mirroring process in which we observe the phenomena existing both as symmetry, or a set of mirroring dimensions, in themselves and a symmetry between eachother, as a set of dimensions which summated the phenomena as "one" set of dimensions mirroring dimensions.

In these respects what we understand of phenomena are strictly the observation of symmetry, as structure, as symmetry through the connection of such phenomena.

This connection of phenomena occurs through a connection between the phenomena through lines. These lines in themselves are an absence of dimensionality that connects the phenomena through an absence of difference.

Where phenomena A may have one degree of dimensionality and phenomena B may have another degree of dimensionality, the connection between phenomena A and B observes an absence of difference between the two. In these respects phenomena C, as the connection of A and B, is strictly a negative dimension that binds the two. The line as a connector, in these respects, is a negative dimension in itself as the negation of dimension between phenomena's A and B through the line as phenomena C. Phenomena A and B are connected because of the negation of dimension between them which in turn draws them together. Under these terms, what we understand of the line is a negative dimension synonymous to "imaginary" in which seemingly multiplicitous phenomena exist as one through this connection as a form of negation of differences.

In these respects what we understand of imagination is strictly the connection of various dimensions, through the line which is absent of dimensionality in itself. From this perspective imagination both divides and connects various phenomena simultaneously by the application of line, which in themselves are negative dimensions on their own terms. This is considering the line is absent of dimension on its own terms, except through the point. However a zero dimensional point is absent of any dimensionality and in these respects, the points observed are 1d in the respect that they provide the foundation for dimensions as axioms in themselves that circulate into themselves perpetually as intradimensional. We can observe this intuitively in the respect that all axioms are dependent, but not limited to, a foundation of circular rationality. How much different for a point as an entity in itself?

In these respect what we understand of imagination is subjective summation into an objective one, with the phenomena of the connecting points and lines providing the objective grounds for subjectivity. We can observe the subjective imagination, from these premises, as merely relational observation in which an phenomena is experienced form a certain "angle" of awareness premised in a point of reflection as the foundation. This is considering all axioms, physically and abstractly, result in point. An object viewed up close results in a point, an object from a far results in a point, and the object in between is set of points, where the absence of any perceivable point is approximated by a line.

This applies axiomatically to the nature of abstract realities as well, considering dialogue are both reduced to and maximize into axiomatic points and the in between is a series of connect points. In these respects the axiom, as one of the foundations for consciousness, is both subjective and objective in nature through the "point" being the universal axiom of dimensionality. The connection of these points, as observing a degree of multiplicity, is an absence of dimensionality as imagination itself which, in itself is irrational, exists as the extension (literally and figuratively) between rational points.

The -1 dimensional line, approximates seemingly multiplicitous phenomena by observing a connection through them in which phenomena A and B are extensions of eachother through an absence of dimensionionality.

One point connected to One point through a -1 line, observes 1,-1, and 1 fundamentally existing as 1 through the summation of (1+-1+1)=1.

Or the connection of 1 point to 2 points through 2 -1d lines observes a summation of 1.

Three connected points can be observed as a fraction of 1, in which the 3 points and -3 lines cancel each other out to zero, with three merely being an extension of 1 as multiplicitous in nature or in simpler terms three is always a one individuating through three lines resulting in the three connected points and the original 1 point which is connected to the three points by the vary same dividing lines. This is considering a point divided is a point multiplied plus the original point(s).

In these respects we can observe approximation, not only as a form of connection, but simultaneously as a form of separation with the separating line connecting the original points.

Even a standard localize point, through space time, divided by itself observes 2 points and what we understand of time is merely 1 dividing itself into 1 as 2. To give further clarity to this point imagine point 1 as a space/time locality. This point in turn is divided by itself, through one line which observes the progression of space/time as a linear construct. Now 1/1 always equals 1 in relation, but observing the localize space/time from a larger perspective we can observe the 1 point dividing itself into 2 points with the dividing line, as negative dimensional, connecting them simultaneously. So while the division of 1/1 always results in 1 as a space/time locality, the original point exists as a connected to the current point and in these respects division simultaneously acts a linear degree of connection.

The point divided still retains it's same nature as point, yet the connections to further points in turn observes its nature through what it mirrors in structure.

In these respects the -1d line negates a separation between what may appear as separate dimensions while simultaneously observing a separation in a different respect. This separation, implied through the necessity of connection by a linear construct, observes multiplicity as strictly the limit of unity as the approximation of unity. This seperation can be observed as the connection itself resulting in a dual multiplicity to the phenomena, much in the same manner “connecting the dots” is observing multiple dots. However when the dots are connected they exist as one. In these respects the approximation of a set of dimensions, ie 1d points, is fundamentally an observation of their unity as point. Multiplicity can be argued as the limit of observation where we observe lines as limits in themselves.

The imaginary -1d line in turn folds into further -1d lines, to form a 1d line, similar in both form and function to how imaginary realities physicalize themselves through the application of dimensions. Take for example the process of invention. A series of imaginary lines connect seemingly disconnect points through the process of thought. This thought in turn as it relates to the seemingly physical reality, which is an extension of zero dimensional point space that causes the separation of phenomena as "finiteness" or time as movement through multiple phenomena, in a manner similar to a 1d line folding upon itself in zero dimensional space.

The negative dimensional lines, relate through the zero dimensional space through individuation as multiplication/division, to form a 1d linear construct that is subject to time. We can observe this as -1*-1 or -1/-1 always resulting in 1. In these respects, all symmetrical abstract realities exist through a dualism, or even amount, or -1 lines that result in the 1d line as space/time phenomena. A simpler way of putting this would be that inventor observing the construct as an image, through imagination, in his mind and in turn converted these negative dimension through a process of relation in which the symmetry of the image is converted into a series of relative 1d lines forming the invention itself as a physical reality. This physical reality projects itself across time/space through the process of change in which the 1d lines which form it continually multiply and divided through a process of individuation that separate the object form nothingness as 0d point-field space.

These negative dimensions in turn relate through a dualism, through the process of physicalization in which the even number of lines must relate in the presence of 0d space (physical reality) in order to exist. This relation of -1d lines in turn form 1d lines which must relate to further 1d lines through the process of individuation as relation, in which relative 1d lines multiply/divide further 1d lines as "change" which allows a form of propagation through space/time. In simpler terms, the lines as existing through 0d space must relate to other lines, with the line itself being the physical foundation of 1 as space through unit-particulate. The line is a unit-particulate that acts as the dimensionality which forms space as a boundary in itself. The 1d extradimensional line is number as space and must relate to further 1d linear unit-particulate through a process of folding and halving, conducive to a dualism as alternation, in order to exist.

This dualistic alternation of individuation through folding and halving provides the foundation of movement through a 0d point-field, in which the 0d point is the source of multiplicity in this process.

This propagation is dependent upon an extradimensional nature of the lines, which mirrors the dual intradimensional nature of the 1d points which precede the extradimensional lines through a constant abstract reality. In these respects one is dimension of space which provides the foundation for consciousness as both physical and abstract reality through dimensionality as space. Intradimensionality, under these terms, is conducive to unity while extra dimensionality is conducive to multiplicity as the limit of this unity, through approximation of this very same unity, in which the 1d lines moves through the -1d lines.

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### Re: Imagination as a Negative Dimension

Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:24 pm
Imagination as negative dimension?

Hmm, physical reality as positive dimension then? Imagination exists in the mind, while physical reality exists outside of the mind.

Considering the line, as phenomena, cannot be adequately separated from either physical or abstract realities it is conducive to foundational space from which both seemingly separate dimensions begin and end.

The relation of -1 dimensional lines, through a process of multiplication and division conducive to change, observes the -1 dimensional lines form into 1d lines through which physical reality exists. We can observe this in practical measurements in which -1 multiplying or dividing -1 results in +1.

Considering the -1 dimensional line, extends from the intradimensional ethereal 1d point, what we understand of the -1d line is fundamentally an approximation between ethereal points in which what is unified is approximated through a form of multiplicity as "connection". This 1d point as perpetually mirroring itself, as everything, in turn mirrors the -1d line creating a 0d field in which the 1d point mirrors itself amidst everything.

This is equivalent to +1 mirroring -1, as a form of summation through unity, resulting in 0. The 0d field, as an absence of mirroring resulting in symmetry, in turn causes the -1 lines to relate through the 0d field. Considering the -1d lines exist through the 0d point, which acts as a field that the lines extend through ad-finitum, the lines must inturn "relate" or fold into eachother as they extend through the field.

So the even negative lines, as dual -1d lines mirroring to form a divisive and root line which connects the 1d points, much in the same manner subtraction (as a form of approximation) mirroring subtraction results in division, and division mirroring division results in roots.

From this it may be observed that the lines, which connect the 1d points, as mirroring eachother results in seven dimensions through three dimensions of negation: subtraction, division (subtraction mirroring subtraction), and root (subtraction mirroring subtraction mirroring subtraction mirroring subtraction...as division mirroring division)

In turn they form a 1d line which exists in the field ad-finitum, with the 1d line existing through the singular odd, -1d line as a dimension of potential unity as connection between the 1d points. The even -1d lines mirroring to form the 1d line, as they must relate through the zero dimensional field in order to exist. This relation, as process of folding is conducive to the lines multiplying/exponentiating and dividing/rooting considering an infinite 1d line in 0d space must exist through folding upon itself as relation. This occurs because the line has nowhere to go in 0d space except to itself.

One can observe this practically by pulling the strings together on a stringed instrument to form 1 string (as a group of strings) that is mediated through a center string, with the pulling together being equivalent to a 0d vacuum effect.

In these respects the 1d line, as movement through 0d space, is embodied through the -1d lines between the 1d point and what exists as movement in 0d space always has, is and will occur as one moment through the 1d points as point.

In these respects 0d space acts as veil to the 1d ethereal point as the limit of unity through approximation, with the even -1d lines as 1d lines, existing through the odd -1d line which connect the 1d ethereal points.

In these respects the ethereal 1d point, as a foundation for all phenomena (both abstract and physical) because it is the foundation for dimension, exists through the 0d point through intradimensional reflection and extradimensional lines which approximate it as a limit to the unity through multiplicity.

Considering what we understand of imagination, as a negative dimension, exists as an approximation of unity (this in turn acting as a boundary of reason) through relation of dimensions by linear dimensions, the imagination in turn is unified with surrounding change by the same phenomena of linear dimensions which give it structure.

In these respects the imagination, as an objective process of imaging, gives structure to dimensions as dimension itself, with these linear dimensions being an approximation of unity.

With the simple closing and opening of our eyes we can instantly access one dimension and then the other. Can awareness itself function as its own portal to different dimensions of existence?
Considering awareness exist through the application of dimensions, and these dimension in turn form the foundation for consciousness, what we can observe as space is a process of self-measurement conducive to consciousness. The process of applying measurement standards, in turn acts a causal force (through the will), as a form of direction in which the resulting symmetry takes form as structure.

In imagination we are all powerful, we can build anything instantly and make it disappear instantly, nothing has permanence.
The application of lines and points, hence boundaries, are ever present as constants in the respect the multiplication and division of a point or line always results in the same point and same line. What accounts for the difference in the points is their multiplicity, yet the fact they always remain as points observes they are unified in that they never change. Lines follow this same multiplicity, with their relations not only determining size but even the speed as which they perceive to move...however they always exist as lines.

Considering the extension of all lines between points is enveloped through the 1d as everpresent through the infinite number of -1d lines approximating an infinite number of 1d points, all perceived movements (as strictly a line between two points) exist as 1 moment through the foundational dimensions of the ethereal 1d point.

The perceive movement, through 1d lines, is strictly the approximation of the ethereal unity as it's limit, by observing it through 0d point-field space.

Imagination does not require logic or consistency.
Considering it is the connection of dimensions, through linear dimensions, it not only requires it but provides the foundations for it as a limit in one respect. Regardless of the imagined phenomena relating through 0d point space (physical reality), the fact it is imaged alone determines that it affects it. Take for example a movie full of imaginative, but false realities. The fact that these realities may be false, or irrational, does not prohibit the fact they affect physical reality. A man not be able to lift things with telekinetic power, from this time/space locality, but people drive to the movie, pay to see it, etc., and in the process affect the physical reality around them. It is change regardless of the manner in which the imaginative image manifests itself.

The same applies for mentally ill people who "see" things we cannot. A whole industry of legal, medical and pharmaceutical actualizes itself which in turn forms the physical environment. Why? Because one person imagined something.

Physical reality has logic and consistency and things have permanence.
How permanent are they if we cannot remember what they once were?

We can't just make things appear and disappear at will, the exact opposite of imagination.
We imagine weapons, and by further imagining the symmetry between the imagined axiom and the sensory axioms we experience, we in turn "make things appear and disappear at will".

Our bodies, and even our brain, would be considered part of physical reality and NOT part of imagination.
If I imagine I am sick, and eventually feel symptoms, am I sick?

Is inside the mind and outside the mind simply a matter of perspective?
Considering all perspectives are rooted in spatial dimensions of lines and points, what seperates perspective from reality?

Is reality actually inverted?
Inversion is merely direction, with direction being the foundation of all dimensions as intradimensional and extradimensional.

Is physical reality actually inside the physical mind and imagination is outside the physical mind?
What separates them other the application of dimensions which simultaneously form them?

Is physical reality the "trap" of our mind that we are all trying to escape or break out of?
Is physical realty but an approximation of a deeper reality, which the approximation itself being the limit of the deep reality, hence an extension of it?

Is physical reality the "smaller" reality entirely contained inside of imagination?
Size is merely the relation of parts, would the true reality contain any size at all if it is completely unified?

I believe we all think the opposite, that imagination is inside of physical reality. If this is true, that physical reality exists inside of imagination, then ultimately both death and time have no meaning.
Death and time are simply a process of individuation in which unit is approximated as units which much relate through movement. Time is the separation through the individuation of unit/particulate, with this multiplicity as "time" existing through the 0d point field as an approximation, hence limit of, 1d unity.

The only thing that would have any meaning would be existence. We really could see loved ones again who have passed away. We could time travel to any point in the past and any point in the future. Granted I'm sure there are details we would have to figure out in order for these things to happen, but the possibilities are endless now.
That about sums it up, the only difference being you implied the possibilities existed through time alone, they are always their but veiled by time itself. 0d point-space is a cloak for 1d point-space.

Even though time may ultimately have no meaning,
Time has meaning through the 1d linear dimension which compose it as the approximate limits to the 1d point space.

I believe time might be a necessary frame of reference to operate under in order for two conscious beings to interact.
Time is the womb from which eternity perpetual births itself as one complete act of fruition.

We can access imagination even with our eyes open, so both can exist simultaneously; imagination super-imposed over physical reality.
In one respect yes, but both exist through the same dimensions that form them and end them.

However, there is no interaction between the two dimensions. Is imagination an actual dimensional reality that exists somewhere else which we are accessing? Can this access be improved? Perhaps we are not accessing imagination, perhaps we are inhabiting imagination when we use it. We exist primarily in physical reality with imagination having only a limited effect. Can the opposite be true? To exist primarily in imagination with physical reality having only a limited effect? Or perhaps some type of 50/50 compromise between the two? With a 50/50 compromise, we could create a chair out of thin air and actually sit on it and feel it and then make it disappear when we don't want it anymore.

Observe the movie example

My apologies, I know this is probably not the type of reply you were looking for and I know you can't stand me.
I think what you are doing is dangerous, it is not the time for man to claim his place as being God, though the inevitable kinship we share as the creator's offspring is nonetheless inevitable. We live in a time with too much hubris, and this knowledge could cause us to grow in greater hubris, hence perpetual destruction that could last for ages.

It's not that you are entirely wrong, nor entirely right, I just believe what you are doing is destructive because of the time/space we are currently enveloped in. If man lived in a time where is chose not to be mastered by his passions, then this knowledge would be a good thing....but that is not the case now.

I'm not quite sure where I'm going with all of this; however, your post has certainly given me things to ponder. I've just added the above paragraph to my essay. I suppose I should say thank you.

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### Re: Imagination as a Negative Dimension

Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:47 pm
Dangerous and destructive? Every man is responsible for himself and only himself, whether he lives or dies. It certainly won't be my fault.

Regardless, I am proceeding.
But their is no separation according to you, in many respects, as they are extensions of your consciousness. It is your fault according to your logic, so how can a man, who is an extension of your consciousness, be responsible for himself without containing his own consciousness?

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### Re: Imagination as a Negative Dimension

Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:47 pm
However, I have not been able to actually disprove solipsism yet to my satisfaction; it appears insurmountable in all honesty. If I have a religion, it would be that I believe you are real.
There is no such thing as solipsism, it's an idea, believed to be real. A belief is what creates the religion of ''I exist'', it's an artificially constructed idea.

You believe ''other'' is real only because you believe you are real, that you exist. And the belief ''another'' exists is coming from you only, you are projecting the ''other'' out of your own being because you exist. You could not project it without the belief in yourself FIRST... and so the ''other'' is your own reflection reflecting back at you confirming your existence to real.

You have no proof of ''other'' because there is nothing outside of your own being / consciousness except what you and only you are projecting from inside of you.

But this is all mental narration...what you truly are is the one beyond the mind - the one who is watching the mind. The mind needs this one, but this one does not need the mind. It's the empty space aka awareness that contains the mind. It's permanently HERE whether the mind is online or not. The mind is just an aspect of this ONE

The pure I AM is without doubt or error. It is this IS-NESS right here and now. It doesn't need to believe it is...IT IS prior to all belief. It is beyond belief. It's this pure uncreated, unborn immutable one in which all ideas come and go and are known by that one only.

I am that and you are too.

Empty full space.

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### Re: Imagination as a Negative Dimension

Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:53 pm

I really don't see anything wrong with engaging and partaking in the illusion; otherwise there is no reason to create the illusion in the first place.

I really don't see anything wrong with engaging and partaking in the illusion otherwise there is no reason to create the illusion in the first place.

It's all made-up...and the illusion goes on for as long as we are creating it.

Drop all thoughts and beliefs about those thoughts, and nothing is happening.

Just saying.

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### Re: Imagination as a Negative Dimension

Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:47 pm
I suppose at this point I have to admit it. I'm not truly a solipsist. I acknowledge that you are your own being with your own free will, who still exists even when I am not interacting with you. Solipsism is an interesting perspective which is why I chose to write the essay the way I did. However, I have not been able to actually disprove solipsism yet to my satisfaction; it appears insurmountable in all honesty. If I have a religion, it would be that I believe you are real.
Then we share the same religion in some degree, considering the fundamental cornerstone of all religions begins with the intuitive question of: Reality? I emphasize the wording intentionally in that manner because of its nature.

If we use the word "what" we limit the answer to an objective reality, without explaining fully what is subjective.

If we use the word "who" we limit the answer to a subjective reality, without explain fully what is objective.

If we use the word "when" we limit the answer to a strictly temporal reality, in which change is inevitable.

If we use the word "where" we limit the answer to a form of separation, in which change is also inevitable.

If we use the word "why" we limit the answer strictly to one of purpose, yet purpose alone is strictly a median point to other phenomena.

If we use the "how" we limit the answer strictly to one of function, yet function alone needs a form to observe its through.

The question of reality, under these premises, is at minimum a problem of six dimensions forming a matrix, no different than a cube (6 sides).

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### Re: Imagination as a Negative Dimension

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:03 pm
Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:47 pm
I suppose at this point I have to admit it. I'm not truly a solipsist. I acknowledge that you are your own being with your own free will, who still exists even when I am not interacting with you. Solipsism is an interesting perspective which is why I chose to write the essay the way I did. However, I have not been able to actually disprove solipsism yet to my satisfaction; it appears insurmountable in all honesty. If I have a religion, it would be that I believe you are real.
Then we share the same religion in some degree, considering the fundamental cornerstone of all religions begins with the intuitive question of: Reality? I emphasize the wording intentionally in that manner because of its nature.

If we use the word "what" we limit the answer to an objective reality, without explaining fully what is subjective.

If we use the word "who" we limit the answer to a subjective reality, without explain fully what is objective.

If we use the word "when" we limit the answer to a strictly temporal reality, in which change is inevitable.

If we use the word "where" we limit the answer to a form of separation, in which change is also inevitable.

If we use the word "why" we limit the answer strictly to one of purpose, yet purpose alone is strictly a median point to other phenomena.

If we use the "how" we limit the answer strictly to one of function, yet function alone needs a form to observe its through.

The question of reality, under these premises, is at minimum a problem of six dimensions forming a matrix, no different than a cube (6 sides).
that's why you also use an image without a center, don't you? Tryin to fool the subconscious, eh?
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you guys always crack me up, I got your bs all figured out. especially you with your oneness bullshit;

the use of words of "dontaskme" is the same attempt to fool the subconscious

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### Re: Imagination as a Negative Dimension

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Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:39 pm
I got your bs all figured out.

Well that would be no thing doing that.

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### Re: Imagination as a Negative Dimension

Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:57 pm
daramantus wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:39 pm
I got your bs all figured out.

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As much as your neo-ager non dual believer ass hate it, Dontaskme (whatever your name in RL is), that would be 100% me along with my body doing that. And it is

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### Re: Imagination as a Negative Dimension

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Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:05 pm

As much as your neo-ager non dual believer ass hate it, Dontaskme (whatever your name in RL is), that would be 100% me along with my body doing that. And it is

I know you hate being told you do not exist, but boxing with shadows is not the answer...just let go....and while your falling, remember to let go of the air.

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### Re: Imagination as a Negative Dimension

Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:34 pm
daramantus wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:05 pm

As much as your neo-ager non dual believer ass hate it, Dontaskme (whatever your name in RL is), that would be 100% me along with my body doing that. And it is

I know you hate being told you do not exist, but boxing with shadows is not the answer...just let go....and while your falling, remember to let go of the air.
Mimicking me much?
No, you can actually repeat, I don't exist for you, or I don't exist when you're not thinking about me, or not observing my posts, then I disappear and become a empty self of nothing or disappear into non existence how many times you want, until I pop in again and debunk your claims and you will hate me for letting you know your beliefs are all false
"Naoh, but ie don't believae yoo exist mate, lalalala, yoo don't, yoo can't, if ie ignoare yoo yoo don't exist anymore, anywheare"

the only butthurt here is you,
and mocked everywhere you go.
didn't your ass get tired of being mocked in the skepticforum, placid?

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