Where is the philosophy???

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Re: Where is the philosophy???

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Walker wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 11:48 am
Nick_A wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 2:38 am... Progress has devolved philosophy into the love of argument. Who cares about wisdom or even knows what it is? The important thing is winning the argument to prove what in reality, you don't understand.
The philosophy of the past was the monograph, where one person presents a particular view. In presenting a view, the same person may present other views to contrast with that particular view, for a clearer explanation.

The monograph is often used in a dialogue situation. PN Forum is a dialogue situation, and ideally dialogue format can go one of two ways.

- One way is for a view to be presented by one person. Then, another person attempts to falsify that view.

- The other way is for a view to again be presented by one person. Then, another person presents a contrasting view. This is what a philosophical monograph format does in order to contrast views, but with one person presenting both views.

- A dialogue can use both methods, which can irk those who keep meticulously ordered sock drawers.
- Note that in a dialogue, the person who presents a view does not turn around and attempt to falsify that view.
-Another person attempts to falsify that view. Folks get confused about that, thinking that the presenter should falsify his own view, especially when a view is so well presented that the other person's only response is, "lot's of folks think lots of things." This could be due to science corrupting philosophy. :|


However Nick, when you mention argument, I think you mean something different.
When the intent is a mutual search inspired by the mutual love of wisdom then people can discuss. When the need isn't the love of wisdom but the need to be right, this quality of discussion devolves into egoistic argument. What other word would you prefer?
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Nick_A wrote: Sat Oct 15, 2022 8:36 pm
When the intent is a mutual search inspired by the mutual love of wisdom then people can discuss. When the need isn't the love of wisdom but the need to be right, this quality of discussion devolves into egoistic argument. What other word would you prefer?
Hey there Nick. Those two words get the job done, after my amplification of your observation that philosophy has turned into argument, an amplification made possible with mention of monograph and dialogue, that goes unnoticed btw.

However, I see no reason to accept your offering of a disagreement and argue over those two words.
(egotistic and argument) :|

You may be reaching a bit with that word "devolve", however, since many if not most exchanges seem destined to crash from the get-go, especially those that come out swinging with ad homs, in response to an observation.
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Pattern-chaser ... bon voyage! A piece of advice, don't go north or south or east or west! Ok? I assume you replied "ok!" Good!
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Agent Smith wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:45 am Pattern-chaser ... bon voyage! A piece of advice, don't go north or south or east or west! Ok? I assume you replied "ok!" Good!
1. Bon voyage ... the philosophy of the journey with no destination.

2. A philosophy that forbids cardinal routes leaves open the possibilities of every direction in-between, however it helps to know that if one makes the forbidding rule ironclad then the resulting ellipses, not to mention all the wandering in between, will eventually strand one at either the north pole where all routes are due south, or the south pole where all routes are due north. The first step determines where the stranding will eventually occur, although there's little difference between the two dimensionless points since both are too cold to really enjoy. The solution is to transcend that cardinal rule.

3. A philosophy of assumption ... what else is there? Degrees of probability that pertain to the assumptions, that's what. Without evidence to the contrary, "Good!" is a possibility better than bad.
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Walker wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:24 am
Agent Smith wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:45 am Pattern-chaser ... bon voyage! A piece of advice, don't go north or south or east or west! Ok? I assume you replied "ok!" Good!
1. Bon voyage ... the philosophy of the journey with no destination.

2. A philosophy that forbids cardinal routes leaves open the possibilities of every direction in-between, however it helps to know that if one makes the forbidding rule ironclad then the resulting ellipses, not to mention all the wandering in between, will eventually strand one at either the north pole where all routes are due south, or the south pole where all routes are due north. The first step determines where the stranding will eventually occur, although there's little difference between the two dimensionless points since both are too cold to really enjoy. The solution is to transcend that cardinal rule.

3. A philosophy of assumption ... what else is there? Degrees of probability that pertain to the assumptions, that's what. Without evidence to the contrary, "Good!" is a possibility better than bad.
Si, si, you got it!

It's time to mutate! Can we though or are we mere pawns in the great game we call life? Some are higher up the scala naturae and that's both something exhilirating and also x.
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