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- Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:30 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
- Replies: 46
- Views: 783
Re: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
History keeps repeating itself. None of this is new: Say, “Indeed, I bring a flawless proof from my Lord—yet you have denied it. I do not have that for which you are impatient. The decision can only be made by Allah. He relates the truth, and He is the best of judges." Did your God bring some ...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:25 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
- Replies: 46
- Views: 783
Re: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
You are fundamentally confused. When the symbols in your mathemathical proof don't refer to anything intelligible in the natural world, you haven't proven anything in the natural world. That's not even a word salad. It's a word salad that's gone in the blender. Letting the referent for the term &qu...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:56 pm
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
- Replies: 46
- Views: 783
Re: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
And yet they can't agree on what the problem is.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:24 am Most philosophers accept the Godel's Ontological Argument is Unsuccessful;
Typical idiot philosophers. Disagree first. Figure out why - never.
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:55 pm
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
- Replies: 46
- Views: 783
Re: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
Idiot-philosopher can't parse even a basic tautology.
The negation of existence is not existence.
The negation of X is not X.
That is what negation is.
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:53 pm
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
- Replies: 112
- Views: 1821
Re: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
It is not AI's problem. I asked AI re 'numbers-by-themselves' so it answer in terms of 'number'. When I stated ' numbers-by-themselves ' my intention was with reference to numerals or digits. ' numbers-by-themselves ' i.e. without reference to any conceptual system, e.g. mathematics, music, etc. Yo...
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 6:35 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9653
- Views: 862471
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
So. IC's team's god supposedly created and creates everything, including humans. And IC's team's god knows everything that will happen. So IC's team's god knows that quite a few of the human beings it supposedly creates will supposedly end up roasting in hell for all eternity, maybe just for the 's...
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 2:25 pm
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
- Replies: 112
- Views: 1821
Re: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
My practical view on the matter is rather that there is now mathematically unobjectionable proof for religion while there isn't one for atheism. Atheism has always been epistemologically and methodologically untenable. It's just that atheists don't seem to have any grasp on logic; or reason. Pictur...
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 1:56 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
- Replies: 9946
- Views: 1082651
Re: What could make morality objective?w
Perhaps here's one form of the fallacy behind some forms of anti-realism: Each of us constructs reality 'in the mind', based on sense data. Therefore, reality is nothing more than each person's mental construct based on sense data. If it is, then the empiricist skepticism - and ultimately solipsism...
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 10:38 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
- Replies: 112
- Views: 1821
Re: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
OK, great! So what does that mean in computational terms? Does x=x mean the computation Equals(x,x) always halts; or never halts? I assume that it halts for finite numbers. It may halt or not halt when dealing with nonstandard models of arithmetic, but I assume the standard model here. This will ha...
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 10:16 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
- Replies: 112
- Views: 1821
Re: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
An inconsistency is easy to specify. For example, if you manage to prove that 0=1, then you have your witness, which is simply the proof. I think the crux of the matter here, is that you have no actual idea what the "=" operator means. The 2nd Peano axiom literally states: For every natur...
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 10:01 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
- Replies: 112
- Views: 1821
Re: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
1) Enumerate a whole bunch of arbitrarily-chosen candidate logic sentences P. 2) Try to prove P. 3) Try to prove not P. isProvable(P) can be encoded. Obviously, isProvable(not P) can be encoded too. So, you can encode this. I did not say that you will find P, but you can clearly try to. Is there ar...
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 9:51 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: God is...
- Replies: 62
- Views: 893
Re: God is...
Is God? A free variable. The placeholder which answers ALL philosophical questions. Greatest hack in the history of human civilization. A sealed door denying access to the infinite abyss of pointless philosophy. A dead end to the infinite "Why? train". Saving you time. Putting YOU first.
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 9:39 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
- Replies: 112
- Views: 1821
Re: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
An inconsistency is easy to specify. For example, if you manage to prove that 0=1, then you have your witness, which is simply the proof. All you need to do is to discover a poison-pill statement P, prove "P", and then prove "not P". If you manage to do that from PA, then PA is ...
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 9:27 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
- Replies: 112
- Views: 1821
Re: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
I don't understand your point in relation to my claim; Numbers by themselves are not mathematics per se. Numbers by themselves are absolutely Mathematics. 1, 2, 3, 4. Numbers paired WITH UNITS are not Mathematics. 1 APPLE 2 APPLES Here's AI's [wR] views. No, numbers by themselves are not considered...
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 9:03 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
- Replies: 112
- Views: 1821
Re: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
If the problem is undecidable, i.e. the search algorithm does not halt, the situation is still fine. The real poison pill is the actual witness. If you find it, it is game over. This amounts to nothing more than self-justification for the paradigm of axiomatics. But that's precisely the problem! Ex...