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by Peter Holmes
Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:08 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9788
Views: 1028343

Re: What could make morality objective?

Some time ago, I agreed that a better title would have been 'Are there moral facts?' - because the existence of moral facts is the only thing that would make morality objective. And, of course, there aren't any.
by Peter Holmes
Wed Mar 06, 2024 12:02 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9788
Views: 1028343

Re: What could make morality objective?

VA reformulates his false main premise by alluding to Wittgenstein, as follows. 1. The only way to 'the way things are' is via language games. 2. Language games are played by humans. 3. There is no way 'the way things are' can be separated from the human factor. When I pat my dog or cook an egg, nei...
by Peter Holmes
Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:17 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: FSRK = Language Games?
Replies: 30
Views: 610

Re: FSRK = Language Games?

The whole and radical point about the language game idea is that it separates what we say - which is always woven into what we do - from the way things are. Hence the 'defence' of ethics and religion. But the mention of religion - the existence of religious language games - should ring loud warning ...
by Peter Holmes
Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:00 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9788
Views: 1028343

Re: What could make morality objective?

I did not claim "Abraham Lincoln was the 16th President of the United States" and "Abraham Lincoln was assassinated" did not occur. But their occurrence is conditioned upon an embodied human-based historical FSRK. please .... please .... just read what people write and argue. Pl...
by Peter Holmes
Sun Mar 03, 2024 10:58 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9788
Views: 1028343

Re: What could make morality objective?

Keep wriggling, dodging and weaving. Here are two things that VA believes - things entailed by his silly theory. 1 Outside, or independent from, or unconditioned by, the practice and discourse of history, historical events, such as the Battle of Trafalgar, didn't occur. 2 Outside, or independent fr...
by Peter Holmes
Sat Mar 02, 2024 5:23 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9788
Views: 1028343

Re: What could make morality objective?

Premise: What we call the mind and mental things and events, such as what we call thinking, are not abstract or non-physical things.

Moronic conclusion: Therefore we can't coherently use 'mentalist' expressions, such as mind-boggling and mindless moron. Or fuckwit.

:roll:
by Peter Holmes
Sat Mar 02, 2024 1:04 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9788
Views: 1028343

Re: What could make morality objective?

Why do you ignore the other points? If you are intellectually honest, you would have justified why you omit those points therein. I can't be bothered to keep showing you why you're wrong. You just ignore the explanations and repeat the falsehoods. So far you have not given any convincing counter to...
by Peter Holmes
Fri Mar 01, 2024 9:38 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9788
Views: 1028343

Re: What could make morality objective?

Agreed. VA's go-to quotation above is correct. So the FSRK theory is incorrect. Why do you ignore the other points? If you are intellectually honest, you would have justified why you omit those points therein. I can't be bothered to keep showing you why you're wrong. You just ignore the explanation...
by Peter Holmes
Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:57 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9788
Views: 1028343

Re: What could make morality objective?

A fact is a true datum about one or more aspects of a circumstance.[1] Standard reference works are often used to check facts. Scientific facts are verified by repeatable careful observation or measurement by experiments or other means... Generally speaking, facts are independent of belief and of k...
by Peter Holmes
Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:04 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9788
Views: 1028343

Re: What could make morality objective?

The Concise Oxford definition of the word fact demonstrates a deep conceptual confusion: 'Noun. A thing that is known to exist, to have occurred, or to be true.' Obviously, only a factual assertion - typically a linguistic expression - can be true or false. (We can leave aside other uses for true an...
by Peter Holmes
Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:54 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9788
Views: 1028343

Re: What could make morality objective?

You are merely making noises and not stating anything substantial. How do you prove your claim, "In reality, there are real subjects that perceive or observe real objects?" You misunderstand. My point is that this claim - real subjects perceive or observe real objects - is what the subjec...
by Peter Holmes
Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:03 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9788
Views: 1028343

Re: What could make morality objective?

To a child [toddler] who received Christmas gifts, there must be someone who delivered the gifts if not to the child's logic, it would be absurd if the gifts came out of thin air. That parents [with consensus] invented the idea of a Santa Claus to answer the child is generating an illusion, which i...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Feb 28, 2024 3:48 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9788
Views: 1028343

Re: What could make morality objective?

.......... What Kant accept with noumena as the cause of phenomena is merely a temporary concession of primal logic. But like Hume, Kant did not accept causation as real. As such the noumena as a cause of the phenomena is ultimately illusory. Why Kant went along with the idea of noumena aka thing-i...
by Peter Holmes
Mon Feb 26, 2024 9:49 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9788
Views: 1028343

Re: What could make morality objective?

Question: What happened to mind independence? What happened to the mind, full stop? There's probably no such thing as mind as a separate substance from body or matter - and certainly no good evidence for its existence. So talk of mind dependence or independence is incoherent, along with talk of kno...
by Peter Holmes
Sun Feb 25, 2024 7:15 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9788
Views: 1028343

Re: What could make morality objective?

Question: What happened to mind independence? What happened to the mind, full stop? There's probably no such thing as mind as a separate substance from body or matter - and certainly no good evidence for its existence. So talk of mind dependence or independence is incoherent, along with talk of know...