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by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 10, 2024 3:57 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9903
Views: 1058893

Re: What could make morality objective?

A few hundred years ago it was an objective fact that water was one of the only four elements in the universe. I am pretty sure that in a thousands years from now "water = H2O" is going to look equally ridiculous. "Water = H2O Fulfills all the current scientific norms and by agreemen...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 10, 2024 1:53 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9903
Views: 1058893

Re: What could make morality objective?

You are just digging yourself in your own hole. So, you have no counter to my comments. And that's fine. When in a hole... What you say here is fundamentally incorrect - and fashionable nonsense: 'No. "water is H2O" is not a fact of reality. It is a fact of our scientific culture, and onl...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 10, 2024 12:30 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9903
Views: 1058893

Re: What could make morality objective?

What could, and does, make morality is the exact same thing that could, and does, makes absolutely every thing else objective. Does anyone here know what makes any thing objective? See, once one also learns and understands how objectivity is obtained, then they too will be able to also see crystal ...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 10, 2024 9:19 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9903
Views: 1058893

Re: What could make morality objective?

Is there any thing that exists [by itself] regardless of humans? NO! Every thing that existed before humans evolved - for billions of years - obviously existed [by itself] regardless of humans. So this question is fantastically stupid. And the claim that, had humans not evolved, nothing would exist...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:47 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9903
Views: 1058893

Re: What could make morality objective?

This is just nomination and tautology. Nothing to do with objectivity and subjectivity, except to the degree that people have agreed upo the convention of calling water H2O. Other opinons may differ. eau no they don't . eau yes they DO!! I disagree. There is a substance in the universe which is a c...
by Peter Holmes
Tue Apr 09, 2024 3:51 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9903
Views: 1058893

Re: What could make morality objective?

Objectivity can only be attributed to a relationship , not the thing in itself. Whether a thing is objective or subjective talks to the relationship between the observer and the observed. Subjective is when we make comments about or apprend something and make it subject to our point of view. Object...
by Peter Holmes
Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:52 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9903
Views: 1058893

Re: What could make morality objective?

What could, and does, make morality is the exact same thing that could, and does, makes absolutely every thing else objective. Does anyone here know what makes any thing objective? See, once one also learns and understands how objectivity is obtained, then they too will be able to also see crystal ...
by Peter Holmes
Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:32 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9903
Views: 1058893

Re: What could make morality objective?

What could, and does, make morality is the exact same thing that could, and does, makes absolutely every thing else objective. Does anyone here know what makes any thing objective? See, once one also learns and understands how objectivity is obtained, then they too will be able to also see crystal ...
by Peter Holmes
Mon Apr 08, 2024 6:25 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9903
Views: 1058893

Re: What could make morality objective?

That it is unobserved is, obviously, relative to the observer Which strips the relation 'relative to' of any meaning. So, once again, this one cannot even comprehend and understand here, let alone counter nor refute what I have said and written here. Say something falsifiable or refutable, and I'll...
by Peter Holmes
Sun Apr 07, 2024 3:49 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9903
Views: 1058893

Re: What could make morality objective?

How could any thing not be relative to the observer? Are you able to list any thing that you think or believe is not relative to the observer? Any unobserved thing. That it is unobserved is, obviously, relative to the observer Which strips the relation 'relative to' of any meaning. Okay. So 'the ob...
by Peter Holmes
Sun Apr 07, 2024 6:35 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9903
Views: 1058893

Re: What could make morality objective?

I think that one feature common to the many and various versions of epistemological skepticism, including the many and various kinds of antirealism, is the foundational myth of 'the observer' or 'the subject' or 'the conscious subject' or 'the mind'. In different ways, the idea is always that there...
by Peter Holmes
Sat Apr 06, 2024 2:33 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9903
Views: 1058893

Re: What could make morality objective?

And, to repeat, this is just your own personal opinion only. So, this is not necessarily objective at all and thus not necessarily a fact, at all. Or, do you choose believe otherwise? What I believe doesn't matter. Very True. The whole point about facts is that opinions about them are irrelevant. '...
by Peter Holmes
Sat Apr 06, 2024 2:22 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9903
Views: 1058893

Re: What could make morality objective?

I think that one feature common to the many and various versions of epistemological skepticism, including the many and various kinds of antirealism, is the foundational myth of 'the observer' or 'the subject' or 'the conscious subject' or 'the mind'. In different ways, the idea is always that there'...
by Peter Holmes
Sat Apr 06, 2024 7:57 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9903
Views: 1058893

Re: What could make morality objective?

Of course there is no mention of subjectivity nor objectivity in that definition of the morality word. I noticed that you did not provide a definition for the 'objectivity' word. So, when you stop playing games you might get around to defining the 'objectivity' word, as well. By the way, I can agre...
by Peter Holmes
Fri Apr 05, 2024 6:23 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9903
Views: 1058893

Re: What could make morality objective?

If you want to play this little game, then you obviously cannot refute what I have said here. Therefore, you will have to agree with, and accept, that morality, itself, is just both subjective and objective I'm not playing a game. Here's a definition of morality: 'principles concerning the distinct...