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- Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:13 pm
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
- Replies: 146
- Views: 45023
Re: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
Just let us know where you'd like to go from here, IC. Would you like me to respond to your last post to me? Or would you prefer to explore new directions? Well, Harry, perhaps we understand each other as well as we can for the moment, and we might even benefit if we take a bit of a break to rethin...
- Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:48 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
- Replies: 146
- Views: 45023
Re: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
Holy Hand Grenades of Antioch, ArisingUK: you're back! Nice to hear from you again. We haven't chatted for a bit, so this will be good. One problem, though: neither you nor Harry is particularly brief (and I realize that I'm the pot calling the kettle "black" about that :) ), and there are...
- Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:27 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?
- Replies: 202
- Views: 55306
Re: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?
You used an interesting phrase - a creator with noble intent. Perhaps you didn't mean it the way I understood it - a kind of "suck it and see" on god's part to see how humanity will pan out. You're quite right: that's not what I meant. I was just giving all the various traditions credit f...
- Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:17 pm
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?
- Replies: 202
- Views: 55306
Re: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?
How can you say that when it appears that you understand different religions have different and often contradictory conceptions of who God is? Another good question, MMasz. I'm with you. The various 'gods' speak differently, reveal themselves as characteristically different from one another, claim ...
- Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:25 pm
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?
- Replies: 202
- Views: 55306
Re: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?
They have Tesco where you're from? Not where I'm from *now*, but in that fabulous place from which both my ancestors and you hail. :D I wrote: What I find appalling, though, is the suggestion that "all religions are morally equivalent." So the antithesis of that statement is that some rel...
- Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:04 pm
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?
- Replies: 202
- Views: 55306
Re: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?
When everyone would understand that every other religion is just as valid as the one they follow, the world would be a lot more peaceful. To paraphrase 'All religions lead to God'. This would help -- somewhat, but not much. Most wars are not caused by religion, but by other things. Again, let's jus...
- Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:00 pm
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?
- Replies: 202
- Views: 55306
Re: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?
According to Joseph Campbell, all Mythologies can be traced back to the same few Myths as their origin. Since religion grows our of Mythology, all religions have the same origins, and are morally equivalent. Yep. That's what Joseph Campbell says, alright. But think again, thedoc. Do we really mean ...
- Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:27 pm
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?
- Replies: 202
- Views: 55306
Re: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?
I see the relative merits of Islam has got you all riled up, IC? I take it you're not a fan? Not quite, Aiddon. I don't argue with the right of Islamic persons to choose their beliefs. What I find appalling, though, is the suggestion that "all religions are morally equivalent." It wouldn'...
- Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:18 pm
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?
- Replies: 202
- Views: 55306
Re: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?
But your interpretation is wrong, there is a definite restriction on when and who they can kill, you are just rationalizing the extremist position and not the beliefs of Islam. The extremes do not prove the mean. Controversy over interpretation isn't dishonesty, though. I was speaking the truth as ...
- Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:09 pm
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
- Replies: 146
- Views: 45023
Re: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
You haven't told us anything about what goodness actually *is*, That's because the question makes no sense from a Theistic perspective, Harry. How can "good," which is inherently an adjectival property, be described in the absolute absence of reference to any primary thing that bears that...
- Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:24 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?
- Replies: 202
- Views: 55306
Re: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?
Direct quotation. Exactly what I said, as you can see.Islam does not have a prohibition on killing, especially infidels (see Sura 2:191, for example).
- Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:47 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?
- Replies: 202
- Views: 55306
Re: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?
"[2:190] You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors. [2:191] You may kill those who wage war against you, and you may evict them whence they evicted you. Oppression is worse than murder. Do not fight them at the Sacred M...
- Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:33 pm
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?
- Replies: 202
- Views: 55306
Re: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?
This principle can be applied to any religion, how many really believe that terrorism was part of the teachings of Mohamed? Well, you can kill infidels and apostates, according to the Koran. Unfortunately, since the Islamic teaching is that we are all *born* Islamic, and thus any disagreement or de...
- Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:15 pm
- Forum: Epistemology - Theory of Knowledge
- Topic: There is no such thing as knowing
- Replies: 169
- Views: 69951
Re: There is no such thing as knowing
Philosophers have traditionally drawn a distinction between 'knowing how' and 'knowing that' and concentrated investigations epistemological on 'knowing that' Russel further classifying this as knowledge by acquaintance and knowledge by description. But I contend that there is only 'knowing how' Do...
- Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:12 pm
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
- Replies: 146
- Views: 45023
Re: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
...this formula approaches zero, no matter *what* p is - unless p is exactly 0. In other words, probabilistically, Adam and Eve had effectively no chance of avoiding succumbing to temptation *eventually*, unless they were wholly purified from evil to start with. Again, this hardly seems like a &quo...