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by Peter Holmes
Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:32 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9946
Views: 1080848

Re: What could make morality objective?

What could, and does, make morality is the exact same thing that could, and does, makes absolutely every thing else objective. Does anyone here know what makes any thing objective? See, once one also learns and understands how objectivity is obtained, then they too will be able to also see crystal ...
by Peter Holmes
Mon Apr 08, 2024 6:25 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9946
Views: 1080848

Re: What could make morality objective?

That it is unobserved is, obviously, relative to the observer Which strips the relation 'relative to' of any meaning. So, once again, this one cannot even comprehend and understand here, let alone counter nor refute what I have said and written here. Say something falsifiable or refutable, and I'll...
by Peter Holmes
Sun Apr 07, 2024 3:49 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9946
Views: 1080848

Re: What could make morality objective?

How could any thing not be relative to the observer? Are you able to list any thing that you think or believe is not relative to the observer? Any unobserved thing. That it is unobserved is, obviously, relative to the observer Which strips the relation 'relative to' of any meaning. Okay. So 'the ob...
by Peter Holmes
Sun Apr 07, 2024 6:35 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9946
Views: 1080848

Re: What could make morality objective?

I think that one feature common to the many and various versions of epistemological skepticism, including the many and various kinds of antirealism, is the foundational myth of 'the observer' or 'the subject' or 'the conscious subject' or 'the mind'. In different ways, the idea is always that there...
by Peter Holmes
Sat Apr 06, 2024 2:33 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9946
Views: 1080848

Re: What could make morality objective?

And, to repeat, this is just your own personal opinion only. So, this is not necessarily objective at all and thus not necessarily a fact, at all. Or, do you choose believe otherwise? What I believe doesn't matter. Very True. The whole point about facts is that opinions about them are irrelevant. '...
by Peter Holmes
Sat Apr 06, 2024 2:22 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9946
Views: 1080848

Re: What could make morality objective?

I think that one feature common to the many and various versions of epistemological skepticism, including the many and various kinds of antirealism, is the foundational myth of 'the observer' or 'the subject' or 'the conscious subject' or 'the mind'. In different ways, the idea is always that there'...
by Peter Holmes
Sat Apr 06, 2024 7:57 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9946
Views: 1080848

Re: What could make morality objective?

Of course there is no mention of subjectivity nor objectivity in that definition of the morality word. I noticed that you did not provide a definition for the 'objectivity' word. So, when you stop playing games you might get around to defining the 'objectivity' word, as well. By the way, I can agre...
by Peter Holmes
Fri Apr 05, 2024 6:23 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9946
Views: 1080848

Re: What could make morality objective?

If you want to play this little game, then you obviously cannot refute what I have said here. Therefore, you will have to agree with, and accept, that morality, itself, is just both subjective and objective I'm not playing a game. Here's a definition of morality: 'principles concerning the distinct...
by Peter Holmes
Thu Apr 04, 2024 5:23 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9946
Views: 1080848

Re: What could make morality objective?

Take your time and 'mull' over them for as long as you like "peter holmes", and then let us know if you can counter or refute them at all. By the way do you want to let us know how you define the two words 'moral' and 'objective' here, exactly? I use those words in standard ways - explain...
by Peter Holmes
Thu Apr 04, 2024 6:33 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9946
Views: 1080848

Re: What could make morality objective?

So, if objectivity is reliance on facts, and facts are features of reality, regardless of opinions, then the actual fact of the matter here is regardless of your opinion here also, correct? Yes. Meanwhile, is the first list a correct expression of your opinion? Yes. Thanks. I'll mull over your asse...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:01 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9946
Views: 1080848

Re: What could make morality objective?

And, this your opinion here, right? Yes. In my opinion, 1 and 2 are facts about our use of the words objective and fact . And, in my opinion, given these facts about usage, 3 follows as metaphysically or ontologically true, which is why morality isn't and can't be objective. So, if objectivity is r...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 03, 2024 8:26 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: We need an admin to control VA
Replies: 58
Views: 16812

Re: We need an admin to control VA

Rather reminiscent, in fact, of the more-than-7-year-long obsessive, relentless (and yes, at times angry) witch hunt Peter Holmes has been conducting against anyone who is more or less a moral realist. This despite the fact that in the 2020 Philpapers survey, out of 1718 professional philosophers, ...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 03, 2024 7:26 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9946
Views: 1080848

Re: What could make morality objective?

@PH Can you refer to the "countless times" you have countered my points in this thread and show the relevant posts where you have countered your points convincingly that I have accepted your argument as valid?? You will not be able to do it easily. I bet you will be diving into your skip ...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 03, 2024 7:01 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: We need an admin to control VA
Replies: 58
Views: 16812

Re: We need an admin to control VA

Also, I'd like to point out that VA has organized a 5-or-so-year-long, angry, obsessive, relentless witch hunt against anyone here who is more or less a "philosophical realist". It borders on insanity. Rather reminiscent, in fact, of the more-than-7-year-long obsessive, relentless (and ye...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:38 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9946
Views: 1080848

Re: What could make morality objective?

Really? If yes, then how do you define the two words 'moral' and 'objective' here, exactly? Yes you may. If you tell me what to do, then there is less chance of me doing that. If, however, you seek out and ask for things from me, then there is more chance you will get that, if I want to. My so-call...