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So, even if it's the case, it's not a moral fact that you own your self. And we may think it's morally wrong to own someone else as property. I certainly do. Own is an adjective. Moral is an adjective. What or where are those properties? In the quoted text, "own" is functioning as a verb,...

The society I live in grants me those rights, and I would no doubt grant them to myself in the face of any threat to my life, liberty and property. I can't quite see how nature grants them to me, though. "Know Thyself" - Socrates. If you follow the above maxim, you will try to get to know...

Penguins, pigs, protozoa are not persons (they're, as far as I know, only bio-automata) and have no moral dimension. ...as compared to humans who claim morality while actually conforming to so little of it. Ever think why the world is more fucked up now than ever before? It cannot be due to what yo...

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:10 pm I am familiar with previous iterations of the idea. But not that specific title. I may order it.

Yes, it does look like an excellent volume, doesn't it?

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:01 pm
You don't have to, and -- right now -- I'm not arguing on that. No, I'm, as I say, lookin' for the downside to believing a man has a right to his, and no other's life, liberty, and property. So far, it seems, you agree there is none.

I'm gonna take that as a win.

Enjoy your victory, henry.

At the very least, even if it's all bunkum, believing you are your own gives you reason to fight and resist. How much of a fight will one put up if he believes he's just meat and has no claim to himself? No matter how you cut it: I see no downside to recognizing, or just believing, man has a right ...

If you wanna treat penguins, pigs, protozoa, hurricanes, earthquakes, leprosy, apples, and your kitchen table as persons , morally self-responsible free wills with exclusive claims to themselves , knock yourself out. Don't be silly, henry, I didn't refer to anything other than penguins, and you kno...

Inside your own head, I reckon. It's a fact you know about yourself. If you say so, henry. There's only two options, pal . You are yours or you're not. Even if I'm wrong and all my thinkin' is just twaddle, it seems to me you can't go wrong seein' yourself as though you're own and respectin' the ot...

CIN wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:09 pm
I don't know if any of this is helpful to Henry, but he's welcome to talk to me himself if he wants to.

Just make sure it's in a public place, with plenty of witnesses. If you tell him I said this, I will deny it.

Morality, being free wills, natural rights, these are exclusively for man and God (*persons and the Person). Penguins, pigs, protozoa are not persons (they're, as far as I know, only bio-automata) and have no moral dimension. So, for example, a penguine's life, liberty and property are not its own?...

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henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:29 pm
Nah, that ain't news: that's just par for the course.

You and your banter, henry, you old rogue.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:26 pm
Inside your own head, I reckon. It's a fact you know about yourself.

If you say so, henry.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:23 pm
You got that right.

It's only news when I get it wrong, henry.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:21 pm
A man's life, liberty, and property are his

I've heard that somewhere before, henry, I just can't quite remember where.