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BUT WHY EVEN ASSUME ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing'? Especially when the ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth is, BLINDINGLY, OBVIOUS, and HERE-NOW for ALL to LOOK AT, and SEE? Get lost. All this "ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth" you keep endlessly babbling about is nothing but bullshit you assume. AND, 'you...

Why not? It's the only logical assumption as far as I can tell. (Besides as you know, there is only spacetime, it's one thing, you can't extract time from it.) To be precise the spacetime is boundless. Time within spacetime has a beginning but no end. Ok, I disagree. Let's say the universe started ...

Not in time. Why not? It's the only logical assumption as far as I can tell. (Besides as you know, there is only spacetime, it's one thing, you can't extract time from it.) To be precise the spacetime is boundless. Time within spacetime has a beginning but no end. Here is ANOTHER example of HOW and...

Not in time. Why not? It's the only logical assumption as far as I can tell. BUT WHY EVEN ASSUME ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing'? Especially when the ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth is, BLINDINGLY, OBVIOUS, and HERE-NOW for ALL to LOOK AT, and SEE? ONCE AGAIN, it IS ASSUMPTIONS, like the one that has been prov...

What do you mean by finite eternal time? The universe could be boundless but finite in any dimension, I agree. The universe is indeed boundless in space. including time. Not in time. Are you here "bahman", 'Just telling "atla" that 'its' arguments are wrong without providing any...

If we include finite eternal time / finite timelessness, yes. What do you mean by finite eternal time? The universe could be boundless but finite in any dimension, including time. How COULD the Universe EVER be 'finite in any dimension'? What COULD POSSIBLY exist that COULD 'finite', spatially? In ...

Well, there are two scenarios when it comes to the beginning of the universe: 1) The universe existed at the beginning of time and 2) The universe started to exist at the beginning of time. I will discuss (2) first and then return to (1). Well considering the term or phrase 'the beginning of time' ...

What are those identifiable causes, which limit access to the same Mind? Nature and corruption. Nature limits what is accessible, and how much is accessible. Corruption of natural capacity also limits what is accessible. How does 'Nature', Itself, supposedly limit what is accessible? And, do the wo...

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:54 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:02 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:29 am

Are you saying that you are responding to me now because I am/was defending the wrong thing?

Yes.

What was the wrong thing that I was defending?

The 'wrong thing' that you have been 'trying to' defend here is that YOUR ASSUMPTIONS of God were right and correct.

The question re that is whether such a mind is necessarily Supernatural. Obviously not, so that's hardly a question. Re 1.1 in what way would you suggest that the overall creator mind should introduce itself to the individual mind? Re 2. Please describe for us what such a mind would look like? Try ...

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:07 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 3:54 pm

VVilliam wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 2:17 am 2. The universe began to exist.

And that's just fantasy, not a fact.

No, that is not a fantasy. It is correct. You cannot reach from the eternal past to now. Therefore, time has a beginning.

OBVIOUSLY you do NOT YET KNOW HOW 'beginning', 'now', AND 'eternal past' FIT IN, TOGETHER.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:29 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:45 am Would you prefer I do NOT respond to you when you 'try to' defend Wrong 'things'?

Are you saying that you are responding to me now because I am/was defending the wrong thing?

Yes.

https://www.reasonablefaith.org/writings/popular-writings/existence-nature-of-god/the-kalam-cosmological-argument Finally, Ghazali argued that this Uncaused First Cause must also be a personal being. It’s the only way to explain how an eternal cause can produce an effect with a beginning like the u...

What signs would you expect to see? 1.Umm the known universe would need to show signs that it was intentionally created. Like looking somewhat artificial, unnatural, having a purpose, so on. 1.1 Would also help if our creator would introduce itself to us. Why would you exclude from the properties o...

What signs would you expect to see? Umm the known universe would need to show signs that it was intentionally created. Like looking somewhat artificial, unnatural, having a purpose, so on. But WHY would the Universe need to look somewhat like what 'you', human beings, create and/or do? Would also h...