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- Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:32 am
- Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
- Topic: Is there a sentence that proves itself is not provable?
- Replies: 100
- Views: 16697
Re: Is there a sentence that proves itself is not provable?
That is the point though. The resolution of the static (finite) result requires extending to another dimension such as different 'times' (infinite). Que? We are certainly not traversing any dimensions to have this conversation? It only BECOMES non-contradictory once you extend the logic to include ...
- Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:56 am
- Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
- Topic: Is there a sentence that proves itself is not provable?
- Replies: 100
- Views: 16697
Re: Is there a sentence that proves itself is not provable?
Example of a kind of reasoning (intuitively) is: It is raining It is not raining Therefore, it is raining and not raining. If we restrict the machine to just DENY this contradiction, we might inappropriately draw the conclusion, It's not a contradiction. 07:44:05AM It's raining. 07:44:08AM It's not...
- Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:53 am
- Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
- Topic: Is there a sentence that proves itself is not provable?
- Replies: 100
- Views: 16697
Re: Is there a sentence that proves itself is not provable?
If you are asserting these are not sound theorems with respect to the logic they are using, you are wrong. You can't begin to understand anything that I said you you until you first understand my most recent reply to you. If forms the foundation for everything else. I hear you saying that I have no...
- Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:51 am
- Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
- Topic: Is there a sentence that proves itself is not provable?
- Replies: 100
- Views: 16697
Re: Is there a sentence that proves itself is not provable?
Example of a kind of reasoning (intuitively) is: It is raining It is not raining Therefore, it is raining and not raining. If we restrict the machine to just DENY this contradiction, we might inappropriately draw the conclusion, "It is not raining" [something that 'false'] If we ADD a func...
- Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:25 am
- Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
- Topic: Is there a sentence that proves itself is not provable?
- Replies: 100
- Views: 16697
Re: Is there a sentence that proves itself is not provable?
Then the Tarski Undefinability Theorem and Gödel's 1931 Incompleteness Theorem die along with it. If you are asserting these are not sound theorems with respect to the logic they are using, you are wrong. If you are asserting they are not 'sound' with respect to all systems, you are right. But the ...
- Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:46 am
- Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
- Topic: Is there a sentence that proves itself is not provable?
- Replies: 100
- Views: 16697
Re: Is there a sentence that proves itself is not provable?
Bad comparisons. You need to differentiate validity from soundness and truth. The difference between valid reasoning and sound reasoning within conventional deduction: A deductive argument is said to be valid if and only if it takes a form that makes it impossible for the premises to be true and th...
- Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:36 pm
- Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
- Topic: Is there a sentence that proves itself is not provable?
- Replies: 100
- Views: 16697
Re: Is there a sentence that proves itself is not provable?
I phrased the original question incorrectly. That is fixed now. I have rewritten the linked paper many dozens of times since yesterday. I tried to read that paper as you've printed above as a start. But it is not 'layman' friendly, if that was your intent. It assumes Predicate (or Quanitifier) logi...
- Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:01 pm
- Forum: Philosophy of Science
- Topic: Another Brick for a Wall...An origin of time and space
- Replies: 85
- Views: 21191
Re: Another Brick for a Wall...An origin of time and space
My point is that if the meaning of matter requires occupying space as its functional definition, it is DEPENDENT upon space to pre-exist and not the other way around. Also note how matter is just a form of energy. Energy is a measure of change (via work being done) that requires a dependence upon t...
- Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:27 pm
- Forum: Philosophy of Science
- Topic: Another Brick for a Wall...An origin of time and space
- Replies: 85
- Views: 21191
Re: Another Brick for a Wall...An origin of time and space
You don't read so well. Not ALL artistic rendering of science is blasphemous. Only those which depict instances of nature which do not correspond to science or to observed reality AND claim that the picture is a true representation of reality. I think it was pretty clear from the outset that this i...
- Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:01 pm
- Forum: The Lounge
- Topic: Bots
- Replies: 15
- Views: 4107
Re: Bots
Why should/shouldn’t bots be allowed in this forum? Is their presence an invasion of privacy or an incentive not to be rude? What is the value/use/purpose of the data they might be collecting? I'm guessing you mean to question any place where bots are. (?) I'm on the "I don't know" side y...
- Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:46 pm
- Forum: Philosophy of Science
- Topic: Another Brick for a Wall...An origin of time and space
- Replies: 85
- Views: 21191
Re: Another Brick for a Wall...An origin of time and space
Not really. The atomic boundaries of repulsion (that determines the size of atoms) can be crushed by gravitational force. Therefore where one atom occupies X space, in the same volume more than one crushed (invardly imploded) atoms can be fitted. You accept that all 'matter' can exist at one point?...
- Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:21 pm
- Forum: Philosophy of Science
- Topic: Another Brick for a Wall...An origin of time and space
- Replies: 85
- Views: 21191
Re: Another Brick for a Wall...An origin of time and space
(I think you wanted to write "And note that most images...") The artistically enhanced images still ought not to be anti-scientific like the rays coming out from behind this unfortunately depicted black hole. Yes, the word was "note". I'm guessing the first image I showed was de...
- Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:52 pm
- Forum: Philosophy of Science
- Topic: Another Brick for a Wall...An origin of time and space
- Replies: 85
- Views: 21191
Re: Another Brick for a Wall...An origin of time and space
And not that most images of space are just as often touched up artistically for color and sparkling effects for demonstrating their beauty. (I think you wanted to write "And note that most images...") The artistically enhanced images still ought not to be anti-scientific like the rays com...
- Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:44 pm
- Forum: Philosophy of Science
- Topic: Another Brick for a Wall...An origin of time and space
- Replies: 85
- Views: 21191
Re: Another Brick for a Wall...An origin of time and space
If by 'tiny' you are meaning small by volume, this is counter to our understanding of "massive". Not really. The atomic boundaries of repulsion (that determines the size of atoms) can be crushed by gravitational force. Therefore where one atom occupies X space, in the same volume more tha...
- Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:32 pm
- Forum: Philosophy of Science
- Topic: Another Brick for a Wall...An origin of time and space
- Replies: 85
- Views: 21191
Re: Another Brick for a Wall...An origin of time and space
It is also a pipe dream to think that actual fusion might get to some degree of energy that it all of a sudden breaks the general laws we already know to have some 'escape' point that permits perpetual energy. This may or may not be true, but at any rate it's a Strawman argument as a reply to my po...