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Hobbes' Choice wrote: PS Marshal is a perfectly respectable alternative spelling or martial.

Never heard it used that way. I'll take your word on it.

Hobbes' Choice wrote: When it comes to the military you have no choice whatever, except to face court marshal.

You probably mean court martial, where the accused could win and have all charges dropped.

HexHammer wrote: Can you bring a bit more solid argumentation instead of this preposterous silly argumentation?

You made the claim. You back it up.

HexHammer wrote:

John K wrote:

HexHammer wrote: Go find it youself!

I did. Your information is incorrect.

Says who?

Says me.

HexHammer wrote: Go find it youself!

I did. Your information is incorrect.

John K said: "There's philosophy in action whether we acknowledge it or not. Why did the lunatics attack me? To steal my stuff . Why did they want my stuff? To stay alive . Don't they know I'll now starve to death ? They don't care . You have no choice but to add "philosophical or moral d...

HexHammer wrote:

John K wrote:Please give me an example.

Of what?

Of Allied friendly-fire casualties of 80% during the Gulf War.

HexHammer wrote:

John K wrote:

HexHammer wrote:I think in the first Iraq war in 1991 it was estimated that roughly 80% of all allied casualties was due to friendly fire...

Source?

Danish newspaper somewhere in late 90'ies, goverment TV, Discovery Channel, etc mid to late 90'ies, it should be very common knowledge!

Please give me an example.

HexHammer wrote:I think in the first Iraq war in 1991 it was estimated that roughly 80% of all allied casualties was due to friendly fire...

Source?

Ned wrote:Ask the individual victims and take a poll.

No, I'm asking you.

Ned wrote: Have you heard about Abu Gharib? Or about the massacre at Fallujah?

Would you compare Abu Ghraib to Auschwitz? Fallujah to Nanking?

Ned wrote: Raising awareness in ethical people that volunteering for the military might force them into unethical actions.

The qualifier "might" suggests that unethical action doesn't accompany military service by necessity.

Ned wrote: In any other profession you can quit when you disagree with the orders. Once you enlisted, you are stuck (never mind the stop-loss practice). You do what you are told or else.

Then don't sign the contract.

You could ask this question to any profession. You could even ask al-Qaeda or al-Shabaab this question. The oath of enlistment (US) includes words to the effect ...obey the lawful orders of those appointed over you. A glaring example of "lawful orders" going horribly wrong is what happened...

Why? There's philosophy in action whether we acknowledge it or not. Why did the lunatics attack me? To steal my stuff. Why did they want my stuff? To stay alive. Don't they know I'll now starve to death? They don't care. You have no choice but to add "philosophical or moral dimensions" to...