Philosophy Now Forum

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:37 pm

I'm just curious. Are you a Naïve Realist, aka Direct Realist? If so, what is your understanding of How we See?

You don't believe that you're seeing a square or a circle or a somebody who is external to you , though, do you? The only way I know about Squares and Circles is through the Representation in my Mind. You can verify with other Senses like Touch, to Feel that it is a Square or a Circle if it was mor...

Tell me how you believe it gives you any information. If I look at a Square and then look at a Circle that is next to it and somebody asks me to point to the Circle I can do that. The Apparatus of my Visual Detection System, although it is Representational, has enough fidelity to give me the Inform...

We Detect the External world using a Mechanism that gives us enough information to discover and understand a lot of things. Tell me how you believe it gives you any information. If I look at a Square and then look at a Circle that is next to it and somebody asks me to point to the Circle I can do t...

But I just WROTE what's analogous to that. Making observations of what real-world-not-just-imagined-or-fantasized eyes and optic nerves and so on are like and then concluding that you can't actually observe real-world-not-just-imagined-or-fantasized eyes and so on. Who says anything about Fantasize...

How would that be any different than saying, for example, "Even though all I have to go on is my dream, I'm going to assume that I have a brother who has duck feet and a duck beak and plays lead bassoon for the Rolling Stones"? In other words, any arbitrary thing you believe your mind (wh...

To put it simply, the real problem here is that people studying things like perception reached conclusions about how it works that suggested that we're often not seeing the external world as we assume we are, and then that was carried to an extreme of saying, "We only experience a representati...

We are assuming there is an External World based on our Internal representation that shows us that there is an External World. Now if you are talking about the Speculation that the World is a Simulation then that is a different topic, but ... How would that be any different than saying, for example...

To put it simply, the real problem here is that people studying things like perception reached conclusions about how it works that suggested that we're often not seeing the external world as we assume we are, and then that was carried to an extreme of saying, "We only experience a representati...

Not to play at semantics, but possibly to move the discussion along, a better word than “representation” might be “simulation”—in a simulation of the external environment there must be an external environment to be simulated. I expect pushback on this from both sides. Nonetheless it puts the questi...

Let me put it this way. We are definitely Seeing our Brain/Mind internal Representation of the External World. The purpose of this Representation is to Detect the External World so we can operate in it. And so yes, we Observe and Study that Representation of the External World. The only things we c...

See https://theintermind.com/#Levels. By the way, re that paper (which I'm guessing is yours maybe?), the hypothetical folks in the scenario aren't quite as bright as they believe they are, because at least when they arrived at this, for example: "The Light was now understood to be something I...

This one of the worst Chop Jobs on a simple line of reasoning that you have done so far. Please stop taking each sentence out of context. The sentences express a Line Thought that you have obliterated. Your "line of thought" is about as clear as diarrhoea in a bathtub. You've appropriated...

I don't know if you don't understand what I'm asking you? If you can't see the external world, then how do you see how anyone's visual system operates? (That is, how are you seeing eyes, retinas, how are you studying how they work, etc.?) And if you can't see the external world, then how could you ...

How? You're positing that we can't actually observe externals. So how do you learn "enough about them"? How does the process start? Describe how it supposedly works in some detail under the premise that we can't actually observe what externals are like. This is why you're ignoring the que...