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I've seen Skepdick argue that humans are a natural object and therefore there is no such thing as an artificial human product. Now I see him arguing that morals can't be derived from nature Because you are desperately attempting to construct an ad hominem. What I "actually believe" is non...

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2023 3:36 pm You mean that in your imagination, there are women who actually talk to you and more?

If women (plural) did more than talk to me my wife wouldn't be my wife for long...

I haven't seen any of the subjectivists say morality is impossible or morality doesn't exist . Right! Which is why they can't reject P2 on any rational/logical grounds. To a man they say morality is opinion . They reject moral realism , yes. They don't reject morality , as they define it. Right! Wh...

P1. It's impossible to derrive morals from nature. P2. It's not impossible to derrive morals. C. A source of morality exists that it's NOT natural. Let the atheist/naturalist apologetics begin. Did you receive so little attention lately that you are forced to start threads now? :) Naah, bro. I got ...

The impasse is the same as always: the definitions of moral, morality, etc. I've yet to see any offered by anyone (including me) everyone agrees to. All definitions are skewed to favor morality is just opinion or morality is factual . Definitions are secondary to possibility/existence. If you don't...

I think naturalists could think in terms of creating, making up, coming to agreement on what they want the morals of a society to be. If they really hold to this; I don't think the OP argument has to be a trap for them. Of course, I think very few people can actually manage to not think of their mo...

It's not even wrong. It's not an argument, it is just three largely meaningless sentences arranged to look a bit like one. It looks to me a like a reasonable argument against certain types of claims to objective morality. Sometimes these are implicit. IOW I don't think the OP should make all atheis...

Morals are extrasomatic means by which natural tendancies are controlled by society/culture. We are all born with natural tendancies, like all animals. In the most simple formulation the tendancies that are relevant to moral considerations are those tendancies which govern or at least suggest the w...

It's not even wrong. That's just a lie. Both premises are scientific/empirical. P1 is observable/testable and falsifiable - provide evidence for possibility to falsify it. P2 is observable/testable and falsifiable - to falsify it simply reject the possibility; or existence of morality. It's not an ...

What justification justified the impossibility to you? You are the one who said P1. It's impossible to derrive morals from nature. I know what I said. What confused you about my premise? "Impossible" simply means NOT possible. And I say that it's NOT possible because I haven't seen anybod...

P1. It's impossible to derrive morals from nature. P2. It's not impossible to derrive morals. C. A source of morality exists that it's NOT natural. Let the atheist/naturalist apologetics begin. Try harder! :D :D :D How much harder than a sound and valid argument? Let us know when you are done movin...

And I shall take up any reasonable burden, but I won't take up your a priori rejection of the impossible. If it's impossible, I am perfectly justified in rejecting it. For a philosopher of science you are mighty dumb. What justification justified the impossibility to you? The absence of any evidenc...

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2023 2:16 pm The burden is on you to prove it. A definition of natural doesn't do it.

And I shall take up any reasonable burden, but I won't take up your a priori rejection of the impossible. That's just dogma immovable by evidence.

What would you accept as proof of impossibility?

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2023 2:01 pm I can't use the argument you present to demonstrate any error by anybody.

This is demonstrably false, by the way. I am using this very argument to demonstrate the error of all naturalisms.

Nobody who has ever derrived any moral derrivation has ever done it from a natural source. They have only ever done it from a NON-natural source. Prove it. I did! natural /ˈnatʃ(ə)rəl/ adjective 1. existing in or derived from nature; not made or caused by humankind. No moral conclusion exists which...