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Please go elsewhere and spew your nonsense! Ah, words of wisdom. But those are simple statements that are either true or false. You seem to believe they are false, but you failed to show your reasoning. You seem angry, for some strange, probably very smart reason, but your opinion of me is not an a...

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:40 am You may find that there is striking similarity between the above notion and the capabilities of modern programming languages .

That similarty is conceptual, the difference is ontological.

commonsense wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:29 pm We need consciousness to enjoy living a good life.

Also to suffer a bad life, if not more.

roydop wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:24 pm I experience phenomena as if watching a movie, or as in a lucid dream.

Are you saying watching a movie doesn't seem to be subjective experience to you?

I am saying that any particular process needs not be recursive. You said execution of a program is determined by the programmer. Recursive process proves that statement wrong. Analysis (in contrast to synthesis) is just the process of reduction. Analysis is simply examination of something, and so i...

The process need not be recursive and it doesn't matter whether that which triggers the branching is called 'thought' or 'randomness'. That does not address what I explained. What are you even talking about - need not be recursive, in order to do what? You can't arrive at goals through analysis. Yo...

I am disagreeing because even that which you call 'objective' is actually subjective. The act of drawing distinctions is itself an experience. You have no way to navigate around your perception to get to non-experience. None of us do. The objective/subjective distinction is conceptual, linguistic. ...

When it comes right down to it programming is nothing more than humans meticulously explaining to computers how to perform a particular task. Execution of specific functions goes step by step. But what functions will run, with what parameters and when, can be triggered and varies relative not only ...

How do you know that we need consciousness to learn? An AI is not conscious yet it learns. It's just the answer that makes most sense considering everything. If you mean neural networks type of AI, then you can consider the network itself to be subconsciousness and the learning input feed that goes...

There is no need for the "I... (did, will, am, etc)". "Need" only makes sense if there is a goal that need is relative to. For example, we do need "self" in order to be sentient. Actions based upon the "I" thought are what creates the illusion of the ego How ...

The entire notion of qualia is a philosophical idiocy. Qualia means "subjective experience". I say "subjective" is the only kind of experience. You disagree, but it is not clear why. How can you feel pain, desire, taste, or anything, if there is no "you" to feel it?

There are two sorts of minds: 1) Conscious and 2) Unconscious. The question is whether we even need conscious mind when the very important task like decision is made by unconscious mind (according to Libet's experiment). Yes, so we can learn, which is how we "make choices". In other words...

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:30 pm An AI cannot arrive at goals for itself. Yet.

Why not?

roydop wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:58 am Consciousness is not created; it is the life force that animates the universe.

Physics say animating force on a biological scale is just electric and magnetic force. How do you justify your statement with that?

An organism can be conscious without necessarily being self aware If you define "conscious" as simply being "aware" in a sense where even a robot is 'aware' of its surroundings through its sensors, then yes. But the point of all this is exactly to try and refine the definition o...