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Hi again Nik, How can the saint show people their sheer divine rapture? People must infer it from their infinite number of ways in which it manifests - the fruits. All I am saying is that none of these fruits, taken alone is THE thing, just a manifestation of it. Let's take an example, say, Martin L...

Hi Nik, But to actually test for enlightenment would mean that you are equating the state with one of its mere (testable) physical manifestations. This would be quite inappropriate. Enlightenment is a state of being that completely transcends any particular manifestation. You cannot test for enlight...

Hi again Sanjay, In the very way, which both you and Nikolai express yourselves, is entirely impossible without understanding and for this, one must has some sort of experience. Yes, if I understand you correctly, I agree. If readers wish for this thread to make any sense, the most productive thing ...

Nice post! I see philosophers as those who focus on the analytic process itself, while scientists are those who put the analytic process to practical use. If this is true, then we shouldn't be expecting philosophers to be coming up with discoveries, unless it is in discovering ways the analytic proc...

Hello Nikolai in Finland! Point being, if our focus is practical rather than merely theoretical, it seems we could use philosophy, reason, evidence etc to shed further light on enlightenment. Yes, this would be very interesting of course, as a kind of anthropological study and I'm sure it would be p...

Bill, when you get to hell, be sure to save me a seat, ok?

I've heard in hell there is no white space! Yikes!

They say it takes one to know one. You know, just saying....

PS try to use what little remains of your brain to figure out the Quote Function Yes, and you should accept Chaz as your teacher here GodFree, as he is the forum's recognized expert on the quote function. Oh, and if you should need lessons on immature pointless snarkiness, come to me for that, as I...

Hi again Sanjay, This was my whole point. Honestly, here's how I read your point. You see me as a clever articulate person who doesn't have real experience with whatever understanding you are referring to. If this is your point, I agree it could indeed be true. A skill or understanding cannot be tau...

Hi again Nik, The fact is I can't prove logically what I have discovered beyond philosophy. How about this? It might help if we attempt to simplify the discussion a bit. I propose the spiritual quest is motivated by psychological pain. As example, when we are having great sex, laughing at a comedian...

duszek wrote:Anything that you remember Pavarotti or Carreras or Domingo singing would do.

I will examine my exhaustive list of memories of Pavarotti, Carreras and Domingo, and try to pick a suitable selection. Until then, I'll probably be humming Whipping Post by the Allman Brothers.

duszek wrote:Why don´t you try some aria in the shower, Typist ?

Sadly, I am not enlightened enough to even know what an aria is....

Gender assignments and colored text are the one true way to see the truth.

What is it that you find inaccurate?

If Mozart operas spontaneously pop up in your head every time you try to meditate, you're probably already enlightened, and it's nirvana you're experiencing. Take one dramatic solo, and call us in the morning.