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by henry quirk
Tue May 11, 2021 6:45 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror
Replies: 120
Views: 1072

Re: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror

Sure, purple is purple, it's real and it's exactly as perceived, so far so good. But purple has no known wavelength, science hasn't found purple light yet. As I say: purple is red and blue, blended. I'm not gettin' the whole science hasn't found it yet thing. If you mean purple isn't a primary, you...
by henry quirk
Tue May 11, 2021 6:44 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror
Replies: 120
Views: 1072

Re: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror

Sure, purple is purple, it's real and it's exactly as perceived, so far so good. But purple has no known wavelength, science hasn't found purple light yet. As I say: purple is red and blue, blended. I'm not gettin' the whole science hasn't found it yet thing. If you mean purple isn't a primary, you...
by henry quirk
Tue May 11, 2021 6:23 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror
Replies: 120
Views: 1072

Re: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror

So somehow our brain does average the perceived wavelenghts, and creates the light we should see. As I say: from the eyes clear back to brain, the system is finite, it's limited. But that's irrelevant against an argument for direct realism which only asserts: the world is real, the world exists ind...
by henry quirk
Tue May 11, 2021 6:10 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror
Replies: 120
Views: 1072

Re: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror

In the case of the Charles Bonnet Syndrome, the person cannot avoid the illusions due to his state of mind. Thus even if the person is told of the illusion, it will still happen again and again and the only way is for the person to rationalize it away. But the problem is when the person is not awar...
by henry quirk
Tue May 11, 2021 5:35 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror
Replies: 120
Views: 1072

Re: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror

My favourite example is purple, naive realists can't really answer what it is. It's a color, a blend of red and blue. Sure, purple is purple, it's real and it's exactly as perceived, so far so good. But purple has no known wavelength, science hasn't found purple light yet. As I say: purple is red a...
by henry quirk
Tue May 11, 2021 4:55 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: Only Individuals Matter
Replies: 23
Views: 260

Re: Only Individuals Matter

Only Individuals Matter Only Individuals : that's all there is, was, or ever will be: individuals, cooperating with, competing against, teaching, learning from, organizing with, organizing against, goin' along to get along with, strikin' out on their own from, other individuals. There are no fleshy...
by henry quirk
Mon May 10, 2021 7:16 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror
Replies: 120
Views: 1072

Re: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror

Then, please, offer some counter-examples...I look forward to grindin' them to dust. Exactly. I've seen a few different people recently forward the straw man that direct realism says that perception can't get things wrong, that illusions can't occur, etc. That isn't at all what it says. The fact is...
by henry quirk
Mon May 10, 2021 11:19 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror
Replies: 120
Views: 1072

Re: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror

If you suffered from Charles Bonnet Syndrome [++] you could one day out of a sudden see a 'real' lady speaking to you in a room whereas others with you at that time only see a framed picture of a woman on the wall. If you are a naive [direct] realist, you will readily accept that the woman you saw ...
by henry quirk
Mon May 10, 2021 11:13 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror
Replies: 120
Views: 1072

Re: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror

Simon Blackburn has argued that whatever positions they may take in books, articles or lectures, [*or in philosophy forms] , naive realism is the view of "philosophers when they are off-duty." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naïve_realism *my edit/addition But since we are discussing in a ' philoso...
by henry quirk
Sun May 09, 2021 6:12 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror
Replies: 120
Views: 1072

Re: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror

Simon Blackburn has argued that whatever positions they may take in books, articles or lectures, [*or in philosophy forms], naive realism is the view of "philosophers when they are off-duty."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naïve_realism

*my edit/addition
by henry quirk
Sun May 09, 2021 4:13 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: another evil of capitalism
Replies: 20
Views: 283

Re: another evil of capitalism

There are many needs simply not being met because there is no profit in it. Old people, for instance, are often left with no support, even those who were promised a pension from their own work. Making retirement care a self-managed investment only exacerbates the problems. People's families don't n...
by henry quirk
Sun May 09, 2021 4:11 pm
Forum: The Lounge
Topic: the folks i like most since being here 4 yrs
Replies: 4
Views: 135

Re: the folks i like most since being here 4 yrs

only three. Emmanual Can-foring having compassion/heart. Walker for valuing good movies and music - sharing a good sense of the arts and Henry - for sharing my political views - at least the foundation - of get off my lawn - i wish for more Henry is fine with that - so we share the foundation, but ...
by henry quirk
Sun May 09, 2021 4:10 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror
Replies: 120
Views: 1072

Re: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror

I say the followin' without arrogance or condemnation... The world exists, and it exists independent of me. The apple on my table is real, and it and the table both exist whether I, or anyone, pay either any mind. What I bring to the table (and apple) is perspective and language. The thing I call a...
by henry quirk
Sun May 09, 2021 4:01 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror
Replies: 120
Views: 1072

Re: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror

just as the chimpanzee, bird or other animals cannot recognize their reflection in mirror represented themselves, [not a stranger], the realist [you in this case] cannot understand why 'independent objects' are ultimately not independent of the human conditions. This is the equivalent of bein' call...
by henry quirk
Sun May 09, 2021 3:56 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: The Biden Binder
Replies: 617
Views: 11315

Re: The Biden Binder

I certainly hope we don't, "part company," literally. You are about the only breath of rational fresh air there is around here. You'd actually be more fun if we agreed less. I'll keep trying, you old curmudgeon. As for my site, it's all for my own selfish enjoyment, because I like doing it. There's...