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Atla wrote: Almost no one ever understands my position so I'm used to that actually. And how would you like it if someone with no acquaintance with the lexicon or frames of reference tried to reasonably discuss a scientific topic with you ? Also, you don't seem to understand that your philosophical...

I won't repeat what I already explained 5 times. Either you lack basic comprehension skills, or you are a troll. Believe it or not, before you came along the problem of consciousness had already featured in philosophy. I am not pointing out anything that those interested in the subject would find o...

Dreams aren't representations of the outside world. So there is the 'outside world' and also 'dreams'. And there is the implied claim that we can experience this 'outside world'. (If we couldn't, how could we have compared it to dreams and know that dreams didn't represent it.) If we are judging ou...

Reality = the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them. Consciousness = the state of being awake and aware of one's surroundings. the awareness or perception of something by a person. Truth = the quality or state of being true. that w...

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:27 pm Whatever we do, we already experience ultimate reality, even if we don't know it, so there is actually no need to get into nondualism if you don't like it.

In the western philosophical tradition, we would want to unpack phrases like 'experience ultimate reality'

And since the observer-independent reality, everything falls under measurable . That is not English. Besides dividing reality into mental and physical is as much metaphysics as it gets. I do not know what you mean by 'reality'. I do not think you know what I mean by 'metaphysics' Me: You keep repea...

Some things you imagine can be used in science, others don't. What about it Science has methods, standards, but the fact that science has these does not split reality into two, why do you think it does. You use the word 'reality'. As I keep explaining, science does not do metaphysics. Science deals...

Me: Really? So you do not distinguish between your experiences in your dreams and your experiences when you are awake? No way of telling the two apart? Of course not, I have no idea what you mean? They are very different but of the same nature, same kind. If you are aware that your dreams and exper...

There aren't two kinds of experiences. Really? So you do not distinguish between your experiences in your dreams and your experiences when you are awake? No way of telling the two apart? And if you were doing a bit of scientific research, you would hesitate to include results you had imagined? I su...

Your experiences do not have a magical reality of their own. Your experiences do not have special power or meaning. They are mostly representations, but also part of the world. They are not always accurate. They are not showing how things "really are". Sometimes you experience things that...

They don't have a different nature. The different nature is between what is measurable and what isn't. My perception of a rock is that it has a spacial location, it has extension, it has mass etc., all of which can be measured, and my measurements can be compared to your measurements and we will ag...

AH! It finally hit me what you are saying. You think that the "content" of your thoughts has some kind of magical power, magical reality. You take your inner experiences completely literally. In that case you don't have a connection to the real world. Alas, what I am saying has completely...

Me: But the question I asked was what is the equivalent of those units of measurement when we want to measure a quantity of 'will'? Your question is a categorical mistake and makes no sense. If "will" is a part of the head, you can measure it with the tools of science. I don't know what k...

And you can use units like metres and grams to the things I listed. That's right, because they are objects in science. But the question I asked was what is the equivalent of those units of measurement when we want to measure a quantity of 'will'? Things are different, and? Why are things different ...

Me: What is the unit of quantification for 'will'? There is no smallest unit the way I understand it. Right now the smallest concepts they use are things like quarks and strings and quantum foam, and some sort of fields etc. Those not units of quantification. Units of quantification are things like...