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by Immanuel Can
Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:43 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: putting religion in it's proper place
Replies: 295
Views: 2663

Re: putting religion in it's proper place

If you believe self-interest isn't sufficient for morality, i encourage to see how many self-interested results you get without morality. Oh, many, many! I get as many possessions as I desire. I get as many women as I desire. I can act with impunity to obtain anything I desire. Without morality, se...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:38 pm
Forum: The Lounge
Topic: American election.
Replies: 262
Views: 2899

Re: American election.

we are not fallen creatures but we are endangered ones, endangered by our fellows who'd use us as their own or who'd -- they believe -- save us from ourselves But that calls for a further question. If human nature is just fine as it is, how did we ever get to a situation where some of our "fellows"...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:36 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: putting religion in it's proper place
Replies: 295
Views: 2663

Re: putting religion in it's proper place

Things which are not externally replicable are indistinguishable from fiction, and Anecdote is the lowest form of evidence. "Replicable" is a funny word there. Are you implying that something can't be real unless you can "replicate" it? If that were the case, your own birth would have to be "unreal...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:27 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: putting religion in it's proper place
Replies: 295
Views: 2663

Re: putting religion in it's proper place

Narf! Self-interest is sufficient to produce basic morality. It isn't, actually...because all of our ethical precepts are against our inclinations. We have a saying, "You shall not steal," because people DO desire to steal. And stealing is clearly in their immediate self-interest. Reason doesn't pr...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:24 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: What we ALL share in common that troubles us equally...
Replies: 37
Views: 320

Re: What we ALL share in common that troubles us equally...

I think that the reason for consciousness at all is DUE TO the fact of contradiction of our 'expectations'. That's interesting. So we'd have to think that if we only got what we expect, we might not be genuinely "conscious"? If that's so, then we might have a partial answer to the question: namely,...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:58 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: putting religion in it's proper place
Replies: 295
Views: 2663

Re: putting religion in it's proper place

Things which are not externally replicable are indistinguishable from fiction, and Anecdote is the lowest form of evidence. "Replicable" is a funny word there. Are you implying that something can't be real unless you can "replicate" it? If that were the case, your own birth would have to be "unreal...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:55 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: putting religion in it's proper place
Replies: 295
Views: 2663

Re: putting religion in it's proper place

So, in other words, even IF we set up government as the 'secular' means of defining morality, what other than FORCE by other people is left to command how we should behave. That's quite accurate, Scott. That's an important question, and one I have been emphasizing. It is a valid concern of which wa...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:45 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: putting religion in it's proper place
Replies: 295
Views: 2663

Re: putting religion in it's proper place

The mystical is arcane code for pretending to find knowledge where there is no information. This is correct. Usually mystics claim not only "higher knowledge," but "higher experience" as well, though. That may mean visions, or ecstatic experiences, or epiphanies of some kind. So if they have any in...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:42 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: putting religion in it's proper place
Replies: 295
Views: 2663

Re: putting religion in it's proper place

I offer the same evidence that the religious offer for their beliefs. In the cases of gratuitous mystics like yourself, perhaps. In comparison to other cases, no, you don't offer anything. In fact, I've seen zero evidence from you so far, despite two requests. A "Gnostic" by Gnostic is not arguing ...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:32 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: What we ALL share in common that troubles us equally...
Replies: 37
Views: 320

Re: What we ALL share in common that troubles us equally...

Why do I have to live under any world that I did not choose to be born in by some force beyond my power and yet be expected to conform to rules to any extent that I have not participated in making nor negotiating? Well, Scott...your question takes for granted that this is the way it is. And clearly...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:16 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: putting religion in it's proper place
Replies: 295
Views: 2663

Re: putting religion in it's proper place

No one ever heard a god say anything. Now you need proof for that. I offer the same evidence that the religious offer for their beliefs. In the cases of gratuitous mystics like yourself, perhaps. In comparison to other cases, no, you don't offer anything. In fact, I've seen zero evidence from you s...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:51 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: What we ALL share in common that troubles us equally...
Replies: 37
Views: 320

Re: What we ALL share in common that troubles us equally...

Why do I have to live under any world that I did not choose to be born in by some force beyond my power and yet be expected to conform to rules to any extent that I have not participated in making nor negotiating? Well, Scott...your question takes for granted that this is the way it is. And clearly...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:46 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: putting religion in it's proper place
Replies: 295
Views: 2663

Re: putting religion in it's proper place

Greatest I am wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:42 pm No one ever heard a god say anything.
Now you need proof for that.
by Immanuel Can
Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:43 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: putting religion in it's proper place
Replies: 295
Views: 2663

Re: putting religion in it's proper place

Advocate wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:23 pm The central problem of religion isn't in how it's interpreted, it's in that it must be interpreted.
That's a little silly.

Everything "must be interpreted." Heck, democracy is a thing that "must be interpreted." Are you going to say that makes it a "problem" too?
by Immanuel Can
Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:17 pm
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: Numbers, what are they?
Replies: 96
Views: 851

Re: Numbers, what are they?

Does any Being in the Universe possess the quality of omnipresence? No. What's your evidence for this? Or do you just mean, "I want to believe that...etc." What I mean by epiphany is a manifestation of goodness which may appear under the guise of beauty, truth, mercy, endurance, and so forth. Then ...