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by Immanuel Can
Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:20 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists
Replies: 1887
Views: 190295

Re: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists

God is likely to have some objective qualities, i guess its up to us to work out which ones. Well, that's kind of non-committal, atto. "Likely to have..." I'm not sure where that gets us. Now, if I get your right, you are not in doubt about His existence, for you say, There are still some things i ...
by Immanuel Can
Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:16 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists
Replies: 1887
Views: 190295

Re: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists

Gratuitous is a strange choice of adjective to apply to atheism. Only until one thinks carefully about it, then it becomes as obvious as this: if one is being rational, one always has evidence and logic to bring to bear on a situation. If one does, one is behaving rationally, no matter what ideolog...
by Immanuel Can
Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:14 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists
Replies: 1887
Views: 190295

Re: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists

I wonder if anyone has anything more to say in defence of Poor Richard and the Atheists? I certainly have no wish to defend him. I mean what's so great about stating the obvious? We can all do that (religious nut cases excepted). Interesting. Well, there certainly are "religious nut cases," I won't...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:14 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists
Replies: 1887
Views: 190295

Re: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists

Now, of course, all this is a bit of a sideline here. Atto believes in some concept of "God,"...I think...so our conversation is a bit far from the strand question above. I don't want to lose the original thread, so I wonder if anyone has anything more to say in defence of Poor Richard and the Athei...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:11 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists
Replies: 1887
Views: 190295

Re: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists

Address my points instead of making up your own misinterpretations. That's cute. :lol: If I could find your points, atto, I would happily address them. :wink: I was asking you to help me find them. Seriously, I'm not trying to be insulting, so please keep a thick skin on. I'm just trying to figure ...
by Immanuel Can
Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:29 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists
Replies: 1887
Views: 190295

Re: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists

You've got me wrong, atto. I just don't know how you get to decide what other people do or do not know, just as thedoc says. If thedoc, or anyone else, for that matter, were to say that they had an experience of "God," how would you, from your view that God has no objective traits, be qualified to v...
by Immanuel Can
Thu Nov 17, 2016 5:09 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists
Replies: 1887
Views: 190295

Re: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists

For several years I have been trying to divorce myself from the anthropomorphic image of God to a more spiritual based idea. Yes. That's hard, though, because for some reason human brains leap to analogies very readily. We tend to imagine using the furniture of what we have already known. Jesus was...
by Immanuel Can
Thu Nov 17, 2016 5:06 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists
Replies: 1887
Views: 190295

Re: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists

No, i am not suggesting the term God has no specific content. It has content. Specific, objective content. Do you mean that? No. Where do you propose one can obtain specific objective content regarding God? If there is no content to the concept "God," then it is impossible for one to be wrong -- or...
by Immanuel Can
Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:28 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists
Replies: 1887
Views: 190295

Re: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists

thedoc wrote:He would just smile and continue.
I guess that's what ritual is.
by Immanuel Can
Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:53 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists
Replies: 1887
Views: 190295

Re: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists

thedoc wrote: He had some of the most amusing questions about religious holidays.
I'll bet. Like what?
by Immanuel Can
Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:59 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists
Replies: 1887
Views: 190295

Re: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists

Now that you mention it, I seem to remember my friend telling me about the principle of a later verse over rides an earlier verse if they contradict. I also got the impression that he was quite comfortable telling me what he believed about Islam, he wasn't trying to convert me and I wasn't trying t...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:05 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists
Replies: 1887
Views: 190295

Re: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists

But the very suggestion that the god of Islam is the same God as that of Judaism or Christianity is absurd anyway, so don't worry too much about it. Islam's it's own crazy thing...it has nothing to do with other monotheisms really. That is their claim and the claim of the Koran. Indeed it is. And i...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:59 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 1471
Views: 177617

Re: Free Will vs Determinism

So you're saying I could use my free will, the one I don't have, to disengage from discussion because it's so pointless. No, Dave...I'm saying that given the truth of Determinism, there wouldn't be any point in the discussion at all . For how could "discussion" be thought to "change" anything, when...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:44 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists
Replies: 1887
Views: 190295

Re: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists

I'm not so sure about the last one, it is my understanding that the Koran is an Angel retelling the Bible to Mohammed, so there was nothing revealed that wasn't already there. It is more up to date; it explains where the Jews and Christians have misunderstood God's message. It seems that a lot of M...
by Immanuel Can
Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:23 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists
Replies: 1887
Views: 190295

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No, i am not suggesting the term God has no specific content. It has content. Specific, objective content. Do you mean that? So...there can be "misbeliefs" about God? And a person who imagines God to be in the image of their traditional deity or deities has made that sort of "misbelief" error? Are ...