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by Immanuel Can
Wed Dec 18, 2013 6:53 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
Replies: 146
Views: 23073

Re: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis

That 'core message can be expressed in different ways but simply put it is to love, or have compassion for your fellow man. Very simple really but I have yet to find a religion that does not claim to have that message at it's core. Well, let me help you there. Most of them do not say that. For one ...
by Immanuel Can
Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:36 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: What existed BEFORE the first religion?
Replies: 25
Views: 6907

Re: What existed BEFORE the first religion?

This is funny. The whole thing is a sort of whispered "conspiracy theory" kind of presentation, as if something very important, earth-shattering and arcane were being revealed, and as if polytheism and idolatry were something the Hebrews, and the First Testament in particular did not know about. But...
by Immanuel Can
Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:16 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: What existed BEFORE the first religion?
Replies: 25
Views: 6907

Re: What existed BEFORE the first religion?

You're making absolutely no sense at all. Are you claiming there were "Jews" before Abraham? Jewish people don't think that's true, and conventional history agrees with them. They maintain that their progenitor came out of polytheistic peoples living at Ur of the Chaldees, and so Abram, their forefo...
by Immanuel Can
Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:03 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
Replies: 146
Views: 23073

Re: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis

Granted. But are you ever going to tell us what this "core meaning" of religions is? Or are you now saying your "belief" in it is simply gratuitous belief without any specific content --what Sartre called "bad faith"? Look, I don't have to ride you on this or make you unhappy. You might not actually...
by Immanuel Can
Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:39 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?
Replies: 202
Views: 25642

Re: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?

Have a look around, there are plenty people with no adherence to any particular god, but who nonetheless manage to live practically; Of course. There's no disputing that. "Practical" isn't the issue at all. Even whether or not an Atheist can live what a Christian or other Theist would consider a "m...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:46 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
Replies: 146
Views: 23073

Re: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis

Sorry to keep butting in but I think there is an important distinction that needs to be made. Data being read ambiguously is the basis of a HYPOTHESIS . Having many different hypotheses are fine, but when it comes to science we have to choose the hypothesis that best can be formulated into a scient...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:38 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
Replies: 146
Views: 23073

Re: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis

One of the remarkable things about living things is that they manage to organise matter/energy in the way they do, but it is not in violation of thermodynamics. One way to appreciate this is to consider your dinner, what your body will do with it and whether the outcome is more orderly than the inp...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:32 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?
Replies: 202
Views: 25642

Re: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?

Hey, a good witty answer. :D Let's let power decide it. I agree that such a vote would surely fail; but would it fail because the question is wrong, or because Atheism can't afford to answer it? I imagine it would probably fail because the only way to sustain a commitment to Atheism is NOT to ask su...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Dec 14, 2013 9:58 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?
Replies: 202
Views: 25642

Re: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?

But, of course, we just "feel". It' isn't "right" per se. And we can argue, and if the majority of power-holders agrees, we win. And if we can't, we lose. Devil take the weakest too. We might consider revising the header to this thread to read, "Is Atheism guilty of having no goalposts, no sidelines...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:58 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?
Replies: 202
Views: 25642

Re: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?

In between a seething birth and frigid death, as you note, there is us and we all have to rub along. But since we all have different views of how the universe works, I don't think it is a good idea to nail our ethics to any one version. In that respect, I'm not sure either and I don't care, I just ...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Dec 14, 2013 6:45 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
Replies: 146
Views: 23073

Re: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis

Immanuel Can wrote: Well, I admit, of course, that the data is somewhat ambiguous in the limited sense that one can *choose* to see or not see what is there -- which is true for both religious and irreligous folks, of course. uwot replied:The data is ambiguous because there may be any number of coh...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Dec 14, 2013 6:09 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
Replies: 146
Views: 23073

Re: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis

My sincere apologies. I checked back, and thedoc wrote two in a row, repeating the same claim. The natural flow of the conversation fooled me...but you are absolutely right.

I retract in sackcloth and ashes. I misrepresented you.
by Immanuel Can
Sat Dec 14, 2013 6:04 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?
Replies: 202
Views: 25642

Re: Is religion guilty of moving the goalposts?

Not a bad thought, Kurt. Every religion does indeed have some account of our beginning, some account of the end, goal or purpose of life, plus some sort of ethics in the middle. That's true. It also describes Naturalist Atheism, however. Atheism holds (unless I am mistaken, so feel free to correct m...