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by Immanuel Can
Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:42 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: individual identity is arrogance in nature
Replies: 9
Views: 1553

Re: individual identity is arrogance in nature

"Individual identity is arrogance"

Who is speaking?

And to whom are you speaking?

Are you and individual addressing individuals?

Isn't that arrogant?
by Immanuel Can
Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:38 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Humor
Replies: 48
Views: 6977

Re: Humor

Wow.

Okay, let's change "plug" to "screw," just to please the literalists.

:mrgreen:
by Immanuel Can
Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:23 pm
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Equality
Replies: 425
Views: 47217

Re: Equality

Yes, thank you for initially engaging me, telling me I was wrong, just to beg out when you see that I have a point.
Actually, I was trying to be charitable.
by Immanuel Can
Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:29 pm
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Equality
Replies: 425
Views: 47217

Re: Equality

Then you either didn't read or understand what followed the word "PERIOD." Okay, that's just plain funny. A charitable view would say, "Spheres is not understanding": a less charitable one would be "Spheres is just being obtuse." I need not say either to see we're at cross purposes here. Well, than...
by Immanuel Can
Fri Nov 22, 2013 6:29 pm
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Equality
Replies: 425
Views: 47217

Re: Equality

Spheres: As far as equality goes everyone is equal, PERIOD! Do you mean everyone IS equal, or everyone SHOULD BE equal? Because they're not the same, and in some ways are opposite statements. The first one says "Everyone is *already* equal," but the second implies, "Not everybody is currently equal,...
by Immanuel Can
Fri Nov 22, 2013 6:16 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
Replies: 146
Views: 22540

Re: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis

I did a little reading of reviews of those two books, and that reading only confirmed what I wrote above: whilst this is an interesting issue, it is a separate one from the grounding of morality (at least as I see that grounding). I'm sorry, Harry -- did I misunderstand? I thought we were talking a...
by Immanuel Can
Thu Nov 21, 2013 6:43 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis
Replies: 146
Views: 22540

Re: Calvin on the Sensus Divinitatis

I wonder whether I have missed something, because it can't be that there is so much debate in the field of ethical grounding if I am correct. Basically, it amounts to this: that consciousness is, as we all know, characterised by experience. Experience can be (*very* roughly speaking) either negativ...
by Immanuel Can
Thu Nov 21, 2013 5:59 pm
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Equality
Replies: 425
Views: 47217

Re: Equality

As I see it: "different suppositional framework" is a just a fancy dance step and I don't dance. I wouldn't want you to dance. :D There's nothing unusual about the idea of "suppositions," really. All it means is that if you suppose X is true about the world, you're likely to act as if X is true; if...
by Immanuel Can
Thu Nov 21, 2013 5:53 pm
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Equality
Replies: 425
Views: 47217

Re: Equality

I understand grounding to mean having a reason to believe. In most people's epistemology, that would mean either there is empirical evidence for it, or the proposition is self evidently true or can be logically deduced from self evident truths. I am happy to concede that none of these can be applie...
by Immanuel Can
Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:33 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Humor
Replies: 48
Views: 6977

Re: Humor

Question: How many Surrealists does it take to plug in a light bulb?

Answer: The fish.
by Immanuel Can
Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:27 am
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Equality
Replies: 425
Views: 47217

Re: Equality

IC wrote: "we are assuming Atheism, not Theism as our subject matter" Henry responded: No sir...I agreed to no such thing....both notions are on the table for me. I think you're misunderstanding me again. What I mean is this: 1) The question of whether or not Atheism can ground a commitment to valu...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:08 pm
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Equality
Replies: 425
Views: 47217

Re: Equality

Yes, yes, yes, the axiomatic premises of any atheistic ethical argument cannot be demonstrated logically (can they in any field?). Actually, this isn't even close to what I said. Now what? I can't imagine. There's no logical connection between what I said and what you claim to have understood me to...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:26 pm
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Equality
Replies: 425
Views: 47217

Re: Equality

Again: I disagree. Clearly, *your position is 'grounded' in GOD. It follows then any argument you offer (in defense of that position) extends out from 'that'. You've got what we call a category mistake here, Henry, which is a basic fallacy in logic. You've mistaken the category "motive" for the cat...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:37 pm
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Equality
Replies: 425
Views: 47217

Re: Equality

I think we're closer to agreement here than it may appear to outside readers, Ginko. What I am saying is that there is an alternative theory that is equally grounded as the one you are putting forward. It is equally grounded because it is derived from the same teleological, substantive and apriori p...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:55 am
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Equality
Replies: 425
Views: 47217

Re: Equality

You misunderstand Hume. His morals, like Schopenhauers were based on compassion, or as Hume I think said, sentiment. Remember, Hume also argued that you couldn't prove any causality, that didn't stop Hume believing in it nor did it stop him being an ethical man. He couldn't prove is to ought, he di...