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by Immanuel Can
Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:56 pm
Forum: Book Club
Topic: Albert Camus: The Myth of Sisyphus
Replies: 114
Views: 873

Re: Albert Camus: The Myth of Sisyphus

Sisyphus had to roll the rock up the hill as punishment from the gods so doing it because he convinced himself he wanted to makes no sense I have to agree. It's just Fatalism with a nice shine on top. For had he the freedom to stop rolling the rock up the hill then he would have stopped doing so im...
by Immanuel Can
Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:50 pm
Forum: Book Club
Topic: Albert Camus: The Myth of Sisyphus
Replies: 114
Views: 873

Re: Albert Camus: The Myth of Sisyphus

Nick_A wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:49 pm
...the collective is the same as sisyphus pushing the rock up the hill..
Super-lame, Nick.

No relevance at all. You don't even know the book, obviously.
by Immanuel Can
Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:47 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2090
Views: 69541

Re: What could make morality objective?

Mebbe I misread him, but it seems to me he thinks we're nuthin' but brutes, violent smelly brutes who just happened on some made-up rules so that we won't kill and rape each other too much. Well, maybe that's what he thinks...but if he does, then why shouldn't those "violent, smelly brutes" who cho...
by Immanuel Can
Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:37 pm
Forum: Book Club
Topic: Albert Camus: The Myth of Sisyphus
Replies: 114
Views: 873

Re: Albert Camus: The Myth of Sisyphus

Nick_A wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:11 pm
No conception of why the collective...
Oooooff topic, Nick. This ain't the "collectivist" thread.
by Immanuel Can
Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:59 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2090
Views: 69541

Re: What could make morality objective?

Now, suppose all people were selfish and violent. Would it be morally wrong to constrain or punish their selfishness and violence? This raises a further question, Henry. Why would anybody be "selfish or violent" -- indeed, why would any human "selfishness or violence" exist, if human beings were in...
by Immanuel Can
Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:50 pm
Forum: Book Club
Topic: Albert Camus: The Myth of Sisyphus
Replies: 114
Views: 873

Re: Albert Camus: The Myth of Sisyphus

What's your take on how somebody who rolls a rock up a hill for all of eternity can be regarded as "happy." He's a dumbass. Heh. Plausibly. Camus didn't think it worked out that way, though. He thought that there were two undeniable, irrefutable "facts" that had to be believed. First, that there wa...
by Immanuel Can
Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:37 pm
Forum: Book Club
Topic: Albert Camus: The Myth of Sisyphus
Replies: 114
Views: 873

Re: Albert Camus: The Myth of Sisyphus

The question comes up why sisyphus should be happy. Seems obvious enough so I answer the question. But did you answer it knowledgeably, Nick? Have you read Sisyphus , or were you just guessing? I suspect it has to be the latter; because you'll find that neither Collectivism nor Simone Ramone have a...
by Immanuel Can
Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:34 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2090
Views: 69541

Re: What could make morality objective?

Now, suppose all people were selfish and violent. Would it be morally wrong to constrain or punish their selfishness and violence? This raises a further question, Henry. Why would anybody be "selfish or violent" -- indeed, why would any human "selfishness or violence" exist, if human beings were in...
by Immanuel Can
Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:31 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2090
Views: 69541

Re: Immanual and Veritas

I stand corrected. Culpa mea. They're not memorable characters. That's alright. It's hard to remember what you are unable to understand and appreciate. Now, now, RC...play nice. :wink: I fully understand Rand. I just don't agree with her...well, and don't think her characters are very well-drawn. B...
by Immanuel Can
Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:42 pm
Forum: Book Club
Topic: Albert Camus: The Myth of Sisyphus
Replies: 114
Views: 873

Re: Albert Camus: The Myth of Sisyphus

Classic intellectual snobbishness if there was ever one... Yes, it's unbearably snobbish to talk about Camus and Existentialism on a thread about Camus's Existentialism. Better to switch to talking about Simone De Beauvoir...um...Simone Says...um...Simone the Soothsayer...um...Simple Simone the Pie...
by Immanuel Can
Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:13 pm
Forum: Book Club
Topic: Albert Camus: The Myth of Sisyphus
Replies: 114
Views: 873

Re: Albert Camus: The Myth of Sisyphus

“When a contradiction is impossible to resolve except by a lie, then we know that it is really a door.” Simone Weil IC wrote He writes, "You must imagine Sisyphus happy." (at the end of his summary of the myth) I was hoping to get into this on the individuality vs collectivism thread but it died bu...
by Immanuel Can
Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:24 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2090
Views: 69541

Re: I'll cut to the chase...

Simply: it is wrong to enslave a man because it is not in his nature (not in the nature of any person) to be property. Anyway, I think I deserve a 🌟 or a 👍🏻 from somebody cuz I answered Pete's question... 👍🏻 If man has an intrinsic "nature" that requires him to be free, then this is a possible answ...
by Immanuel Can
Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:49 am
Forum: Book Club
Topic: Albert Camus: The Myth of Sisyphus
Replies: 114
Views: 873

Re: Albert Camus: The Myth of Sisyphus

Impenitent wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:52 am
some people find joy in their work
Did you have a chance to read the book, actually? Or are you talking more about what you would do...
by Immanuel Can
Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:22 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2090
Views: 69541

Re: Immanual and Veritas

The number of people who believe something has nothing to do with whether or not something is true Yeah, I said that. But the fact that practically nobody believes does not help at all. Just because somebody has an unique idea doesn't make it more probable that's it's a good unique idea. In most ca...
by Immanuel Can
Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:06 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2090
Views: 69541

Re: What could make morality objective?

You misunderstand. "Moral duty" simply means "obligation to act on a moral imperative." ... Every moral principle has an imperative, a duty associated with it. If, for example, murder is wrong, then it means that we all have a duty not to murder. If theft is wrong, then we have a duty not to steal....