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by Immanuel Can
Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:02 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: "Free will was given to man by god."
Replies: 195
Views: 4557

Re: "If someone believes there is a God, then he/she is compelled to obey in fear of punishment."

henry quirk wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:53 pm
I'm a deist. My god has issued no marching orders, so there's nuthin' for me to obey, and no deific punishment to fear.

There, some tobacco for you to put in your pipe.
Don't tell AV. She'll have a fit. :wink:
by Immanuel Can
Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:58 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 385
Views: 6368

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

What you are describing are physical characteristics of organisms, not the life of those organisms. I agree. But then we'd better say what we mean by "describing life." Because most scientific explanations are not what we are looking for, then. Yes! That is really my point. Because life itself is n...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:26 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Islam Means Peace?
Replies: 53
Views: 1554

Re: Islam Means Peace?

While we don't know how many people the Catholic Crusades killed, the wildest and most anti-Catholic estimates by Atheist apologists never exceed single-digit millions...that is, from 1 to 9 million at the most extreme, including all dead on any side by any cause whatever, including disaster, disea...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:58 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: "Free will was given to man by god."
Replies: 195
Views: 4557

Re: "Free will was given to man by god."

If someone believes there is a God, then he/she is compelled to obey in fear of punishment. Not at all. It's not automatic that if a person believes in God, he or she is going to think "punishment" instantly. Why would that follow? One would also have to have some apprehension of one's own sin, and...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:53 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Islam Means Peace?
Replies: 53
Views: 1554

Re: Islam Means Peace?

Without relying on the basis of a personal contract with God to comply with the contracted terms in the holy books, your arguments are full of holes and cannot produce a checkmate conclusion. You've failed to notice that NONE of my arguments above relies AT ALL on anything about or from holy books....
by Immanuel Can
Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:28 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: EVIL!!!!!!!!
Replies: 473
Views: 6001

Re: EVIL!!!!!!!!

I noted your removal of the whole 99.999999999999999 of all us being imortal souls per your religion I'm sorry...I didn't understand it. Why would .000000000000001 souls not be "immortal"? ...and my point about repenting from Hell/sining from heaven - or your god removing the freewill part of our s...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:17 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Islam Means Peace?
Replies: 53
Views: 1554

Re: Islam Means Peace?

Both statistically and theologically untrue. Sorry. It just is. Religious wars, in total, have killed about 8% of all the war dead. Of those, half (4%) have been killed by wars generated in the name of the "Religion of Peace," Islam. Of the remaining 4%, all other religions are combined...Hinduism,...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:15 am
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Does a pregnant woman carry a human being/person or just 'life'/meat?
Replies: 800
Views: 15398

Re: gaffo

What do you think, IC? Well, my dog is an idiot until I have a treat in my hand -- at which time, he's a Rhodes Scholar, and can calculate pi to sixteen digits. There is a lot of Christian theology that states, clearly and unequivocally: "No !" - (animals ,say, mammals like: dogs; chimps; dolphins ...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:36 am
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Does a pregnant woman carry a human being/person or just 'life'/meat?
Replies: 800
Views: 15398

Re: gaffo

in don't like Multiculturalism nor agree with it (it tribal ego-filth), I'm a Melting Pot Univeral Humanist. Well, two things. First, that multiculturalism is a fact now, whether one "agrees with it" or not. For some, that seems lamentable, and for others, a cause for rejoicing. But either way, bot...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:27 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: EVIL!!!!!!!!
Replies: 473
Views: 6001

Re: EVIL!!!!!!!!

all living before your Christ go to Hell forever - like me - just for being born before his time. Definitely not. Have you forgotten the Mount of Transfiguration? Who was on it? Two guys who were born and died long before Christ Himself came. now tell me how a Just god denies one from repentance fr...
by Immanuel Can
Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:21 pm
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Does a pregnant woman carry a human being/person or just 'life'/meat?
Replies: 800
Views: 15398

Re: gaffo

In pre-Civil-War America, or in the trans-Saharan slave trade in North Africa, blacks were not persons. Their society said so. In ancient societies, members of one tribe often do not agree that members of a rival tribe are persons. ...no need to disparage Subsaharan cultures of the 19th century... ...
by Immanuel Can
Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:17 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: NOTHING, AND WHY THE QUESTION "WHY IS THERE SOMETHING AS OPPOSED TO NOTHING?" IS UNANSWERABLE
Replies: 15
Views: 128

Re: NOTHING, AND WHY THE QUESTION "WHY IS THERE SOMETHING AS OPPOSED TO NOTHING?" IS UNANSWERABLE

The question: "Why is there something as opposed to nothing?" Well, we can't put undue stress on metaphorical language. If one does that, it becomes very easy to think one has a snappy rejoinder when one has simply failed to grasp the import of the question. So let's think carefully about what that...
by Immanuel Can
Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:52 pm
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Does a pregnant woman carry a human being/person or just 'life'/meat?
Replies: 800
Views: 15398

Re: the question on the table...

Skepdick wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:48 pm
If you were a scientist.
Ooooh. Burn! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Well, as much fun as it is to play with you in the mud, slinging mud pies, I'm not reluctant to forgo the pleasure. Carry on as you are. Enjoy.
by Immanuel Can
Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:34 pm
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Does a pregnant woman carry a human being/person or just 'life'/meat?
Replies: 800
Views: 15398

Re: the question on the table...

Every single thing that was once called a fact and later overthrown was verified. Ah, but not every single thing that is a fact has been overthrown. Some things have been verified correctly. However, that would not have a thing to say or imply about the truth of the matter...the state of human know...
by Immanuel Can
Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:21 pm
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Does a pregnant woman carry a human being/person or just 'life'/meat?
Replies: 800
Views: 15398

Re: the question on the table...

The fact that the Earth is flat is not a fact anymore. It never was. Surprise, surprise. Hindsight bias. Heh. :lol: No; verifiable facts. There is a difference, you know. When people thought it was, and said it was, and even when 100% of the societies on earth uniformly believed it was, THEY WERE A...