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by uwot
Sat May 16, 2020 3:48 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3796
Views: 130691

Re: What could make morality objective?

We've been to the moon. We've taken photos. We've shown those photos to flat earthers. It didn't work - they still aren't convinced. So, I guess - until you demonstrate effective persuasion and achieve 100% buy-in - the Earth remains flat? Ya know, out of the goodness of my heart, I checked several...
by uwot
Sat May 16, 2020 2:11 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3796
Views: 130691

Re: What could make morality objective?

Why does it even matter whether this is red , or this is red ? When you are ready to commit yourself to an answer let me know. To be honest, I couldn't care less what anyone calls red or blue. As you intimate, it doesn't matter. Killing people, on the other hand, matters a great deal, so it's a bit...
by uwot
Sat May 16, 2020 1:50 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3796
Views: 130691

Re: What could make morality objective?

You really can't seem to make up your mind - does knowledge come from books or not? Which book did you read on how to write books? Well...oh wait, you're editing this one now. If the knowledge in your book was already in another book why couldn't you just point us to it? You know - like I am doing ...
by uwot
Sat May 16, 2020 1:38 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3796
Views: 130691

Re: What could make morality objective?

Harbal wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 1:10 pm
Skepdick wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 12:33 pm
The irony! I don't read philosophy books - I am a scientist.
In that case, I apologise; I am blaming the wrong books.
Mr Harbal, I salute you! That is genius.
Anyway, have you finished editing Skepdick? That's 13 times so far.
by uwot
Sat May 16, 2020 11:25 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3796
Views: 130691

Re: What could make morality objective?

Yes, but you cannot recreate the aesthetic experience, nor the emotional response - same with morality. I don't have to re-create your emotional response to know you disapprove of murder; or you dislike icecream. Well of course I disapprove of murder. What I call murder is any killing of another hu...
by uwot
Sat May 16, 2020 9:07 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3796
Views: 130691

Re: What could make morality objective?

The 'nihil' in nihilism - the nothingness - need not mean moral anarchy, which is what some terrified moral realists and objectivists insist. In fact, the clearing-of-the-decks that moral nihilism advocates liberates us from the clutter of false and usually self-interested objectivist claims: it's ...
by uwot
Sat May 16, 2020 8:59 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3796
Views: 130691

Re: What could make morality objective?

Let me put it this way: To argue that morality is objective is the same as arguing that our taste in food is objective. That's exactly what I am arguing. Your taste in food is objective to me. Your taste in food is objective from every perspective except yours. Ah well, there's taste and there's ta...
by uwot
Fri May 15, 2020 6:03 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3796
Views: 130691

Re: What could make morality objective?

Immanuel Can wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 5:59 pm
Peter Holmes wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 5:29 pm
Set out the argument
You have it, or can have it. You know of a certainty it exists, and where to find it.

Read it.

Now, where's your proof that Nihilists can justify morality? You said they could.
Is anyone else tempted to say it's in a fucking book you are too dim to understand?
by uwot
Fri May 15, 2020 3:19 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3796
Views: 130691

Re: What could make morality objective?

Nihilists don't 'say there is no such thing as any real, justifiable, rational or actual morality... just a bunch of fakes.' They say everything but that last phrase, which they wouldn't want to admit, even though it's the automatic implication of the earlier phrases. They very definitely have to b...
by uwot
Fri May 15, 2020 11:14 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: What is Wisdom in Atheist Philosophy?
Replies: 164
Views: 2159

Re: What is Wisdom in Atheist Philosophy?

why would I conclude that the endorphins were the result of your enjoyment of ice cream qua ice cream, rather than as a guilty pleasure? I am not concluding that. I am concluding that my pursuit of icecream is the result of a cause - me liking ice-cream. So is you "liking ice-cream" different to yo...
by uwot
Thu May 14, 2020 11:35 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: What is Wisdom in Atheist Philosophy?
Replies: 164
Views: 2159

Re: What is Wisdom in Atheist Philosophy?

What persuades me is the rush of endorphins when I eat it. That too is testable by you, but I am not letting you near my brain. The tubs will have to do. Even if you were to let me near your brain, which I don't recommend, why would I conclude that the endorphins were the result of your enjoyment o...
by uwot
Thu May 14, 2020 11:08 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: What is Wisdom in Atheist Philosophy?
Replies: 164
Views: 2159

Re: What is Wisdom in Atheist Philosophy?

Skepdick wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 10:32 pm
With all that said, the entire notion of God-belief is en epiphenomenon - a red herring.
So what is it about a pile of empty ice cream tubs that persuades you that you like ice cream?
by uwot
Thu May 14, 2020 10:06 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: What is Wisdom in Atheist Philosophy?
Replies: 164
Views: 2159

Re: What is Wisdom in Atheist Philosophy?

...what empirical change might one observe if you were to accept the theistic narrative? I dunno. A few mutually self righteous, happy-clappy exchanges with the god squad on theses pages perhaps. ...I don't know whether I believe in God or not, and I have no idea how to test. Well, it could be as s...
by uwot
Thu May 14, 2020 8:48 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: What is Wisdom in Atheist Philosophy?
Replies: 164
Views: 2159

Re: What is Wisdom in Atheist Philosophy?

... what is there to accept in atheism? Nothing. My atheism is simply that I don't accept what theists say there is to accept about their theism. I don't know if I believe in God; or elephants. How do I find out if I believe in either? Well, knowing whether you believe sounds like the gnostic posit...
by uwot
Thu May 14, 2020 7:16 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: What is Wisdom in Atheist Philosophy?
Replies: 164
Views: 2159

Re: What is Wisdom in Atheist Philosophy?

... I would side with an agnostic theist before I side with a gnostic atheist, which is completely expected given my over-index on epistemology. You and me both and, as I keep pointing out, the term agnosticism was created by Thomas Huxley, who would also agree with you: "On the whole, the "bosh" o...