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by uwot
Sun May 24, 2020 10:37 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3785
Views: 130545

Re: What could make morality objective?

Skepdick implied that I belong to, "The Certain Knowledge crowd," and I was pointing out, in philosophy today there is no such crowd. No philosopher of the last two hundred years has held that position--except me. If there is such a crowd it is a very small one. Well yeah, you can pull in the bound...
by uwot
Sat May 23, 2020 2:54 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3785
Views: 130545

Re: What could make morality objective?

What, "certain knowledge crowd," would that be? Since Hume and Kant destroyed epistemology, there is not a single philosopher I know who holds the view of certain knowledge. Can you name any? Well, it's been the dream of rationalists to develop certain knowledge from a logically watertight foundati...
by uwot
Sat May 23, 2020 2:32 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3785
Views: 130545

Re: What could make morality objective?

Did I miss your response to this Skepdick? The derivative of the mathematical function which represents the historical murder rate over centuries of data is a certain value. That value is not positive (murder is not increasing), and it's not zero (murder is not steady). Murder is decreasing. That's ...
by uwot
Sat May 23, 2020 2:28 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: What is Wisdom in Atheist Philosophy?
Replies: 164
Views: 2159

Re: What is Wisdom in Atheist Philosophy?

Wyman wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 2:35 am
Argument from authority. If Socrates, Dostoevsky, Einstein, among others, believed in divinity, doesn’t that lend some credibility to the idea?
Well no; that's why arguments from authority are generally dismissed as informal fallacies.
by uwot
Mon May 18, 2020 2:31 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3785
Views: 130545

Re: What could make morality objective?

In the meantime show us the exact point where you think I "calculated the odds as 1 in 3". Sure! It happened right where you trivialised the argument, caricaturised the statistical significance of 500+ years of data, ignored the nuance between prior and posterior probabilities and reduced the concl...
by uwot
Mon May 18, 2020 1:16 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3785
Views: 130545

Re: What could make morality objective?

My mistake, you are that stupid. Seriously Skepdick, show us how you get this: There were three options, so you calculated the odds as 1 in 3 . From this: Oh please. There are 3 options: murder rates go up, they stay the same or they go down. You can stare at that until the cows come home but there...
by uwot
Mon May 18, 2020 12:33 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3785
Views: 130545

Re: What could make morality objective?

My mistake, you are that stupid. Seriously Skepdick, show us how you get this: There were three options, so you calculated the odds as 1 in 3. From this: Oh please. There are 3 options: murder rates go up, they stay the same or they go down. You can stare at that until the cows come home but there w...
by uwot
Mon May 18, 2020 12:06 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3785
Views: 130545

Re: What could make morality objective?

Once upon time...
uwot wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:16 pm
Peter Holmes wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:01 pm
...I'm hoping the question makes moral objectivists re-think their premise - recognise the mistake - and abandon it.
I admire your optimism.
Ah well, you tried Peter.
by uwot
Mon May 18, 2020 11:57 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3785
Views: 130545

Re: What could make morality objective?

So, you are "not a fucking idiot" and you don't assign equal weight to these hypotheses, right? A. This is red. B. This is red. Whoops! Too late. Oh please. There are 3 options...the probability of any one obtaining is 1 in 3. Gotta say Skepdick, given that nobody could be so stupid to conclude tha...
by uwot
Mon May 18, 2020 7:18 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3785
Views: 130545

Re: What could make morality objective?

It is demonstrably the case that people disagree over what killings are justifiable. It is also demonstrably the case that people agree over what killings aren't justifiable. To assign equal weight to both view-points because some dissent exists, is to assign equal weight to round and flat-earth th...
by uwot
Sun May 17, 2020 2:59 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3785
Views: 130545

Re: What could make morality objective?

So you are still hung up on definitions and stupid linguistic/semantic distinctions, huh? The emotional response is your programming. It existed long before we invented the word "murder". The emotional response to unjustifiable killing is the objective causal factor for why we have legal systems; a...
by uwot
Sat May 16, 2020 10:18 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3785
Views: 130545

Re: What could make morality objective?

Well it was you that brought up verificationism. I did - right after I made a verifiable claim about objective morality. Skepdick, what you made was a claim about the decreasing number of 'murders'. Somewhere in the fog you forgot to mention what types of killing you count as murder - the killing t...
by uwot
Sat May 16, 2020 6:24 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3785
Views: 130545

Re: What could make morality objective?

Is that your admission that I have evidence, but you don't deem it "empirical" (whatever that means)? Well it was you that brought up verificationism. The notion of "evidence" is covered in probability theory/Bayesian inference which is why I quantified my evidence in decibels - but apparently you ...
by uwot
Sat May 16, 2020 5:07 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3785
Views: 130545

Re: What could make morality objective?

Maybe the math went over your head - I don't know. You mean this maths? Murder is decreasing. That's 2:1 unlikely, or just above 3 decibels of evidence. Not really Skepdick. Anyway, is that not just an admission that you have no empirical evidence for your claim that: The objectivity of morality is...
by uwot
Sat May 16, 2020 4:35 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3785
Views: 130545

Re: What could make morality objective?

Skepdick wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 3:58 pm
Murder is decreasing. That's 2:1 unlikely. Explanation required.
And this is your explanation?
Skepdick wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 12:33 pm
The objectivity of morality is an ineffable fact...
How does that work?