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by Ginkgo
Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:36 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1817
Views: 48639

Re: What could make morality objective?

Not according to wikipedia: A wiki is not an authoritative source. It's an open-source place where experts and non-experts alike get their crack at contributing, and editing is often a bit spotty. A good scholarly source does either the same or better every time. But in this case, I didn't even ask...
by Ginkgo
Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:54 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1817
Views: 48639

Re: What could make morality objective?

If we are oblivious to some fact then it goes without saying that we have no knowledge of it. Manifestly. But both are epistemological issues, not ontological ones. Things can actually, really exist without us knowing they do, as I'm sure you would recognize. This is the epistemological issue. And ...
by Ginkgo
Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:09 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1817
Views: 48639

Re: What could make morality objective?

Let me clarify. The fact of His existence does not depend on the opinion of any critic, one way or the other. The question of our knowledge in determining the truth of that fact is a different question. We must not confuse ontology with epistemology. To illustrate: the planet Neptune existed before...
by Ginkgo
Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:48 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1817
Views: 48639

Re: What could make morality objective?

Why do you suppose so? Because there isn't a theory of God and/or morality that is not subject to criticism. :D There isn't ANY point of view that is not subject to criticism. The question is not "are there critics," but "are the criticisms apt or inappropriate to the facts." If God exists, then mo...
by Ginkgo
Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:59 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1817
Views: 48639

Re: What could make morality objective?

Immanuel Can wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:50 am
Ginkgo wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:39 am
Objective morality is equally a problem inherent to theism.
Why do you suppose so?
Because there isn't a theory of God and/or morality that is not subject to criticism.
by Ginkgo
Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:39 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1817
Views: 48639

Re: What could make morality objective?

Immanuel Can wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:58 pm

I'm not arguing against objective morality, actually. The impossibility of objective morality is a problem inherent to Atheism. Atheism's not true.
Objective morality is equally a problem inherent to theism.
by Ginkgo
Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:23 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1817
Views: 48639

Re: What could make morality objective?

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And my question is: Why do you think slavery is morally wrong, when it's endorsed and never condemned in the Bible? Please answer that question.

Yes, please answer that question. Where in the scriptures does it say that slavery is morally wrong? How do you know God condemns slavery?
by Ginkgo
Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:25 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1817
Views: 48639

Re: What could make morality objective?

Immanuel Can wrote:
Sat Sep 01, 2018 10:28 pm
Dubious wrote:
Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:07 pm
Without god there’s a more sophisticated morality in place...
Describe it. Who creates it, how do we know it's "right," and why are we morally obligated to it?
Uwot provided the answer to your questions, but for some reason you ignore his posts.
by Ginkgo
Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:21 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1817
Views: 48639

Re: What could make morality objective?

Immanuel Can wrote:
Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:45 am
Ginkgo wrote:
Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:53 am
consensus among philosophers is that the God hypothesis in relation to morality fails.
You might really be surprised about that.
I doubt it. There is no hypothesis in relation to God and/or morality that's not subject to criticism.
by Ginkgo
Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:53 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1817
Views: 48639

Re: What could make morality objective?

Of course there is morality without God. For example, Kantian ethics demonstrates that morality can be universalized, therefore it is an objective moral theory. Consensus among philosophers, with which I would agree, is that if this was indeed Kant's ambition, he failed. Even in Kant's own day, his...
by Ginkgo
Sun Sep 02, 2018 12:35 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1817
Views: 48639

Re: What could make morality objective?

Without God, there's really no such thing as "morality"...and neither warrant not possibility of any substance or obligation to subjective "moral" claims. Of course there is morality without God. For example, Kantian ethics demonstrates that morality can be universalized, therefore it is an objecti...
by Ginkgo
Sat Sep 01, 2018 1:33 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1817
Views: 48639

Re: What could make morality objective?

Immanuel Can wrote:
Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:12 pm
IF there were a God, and IF He had a moral nature and had given moral directives, there would be absolutely no problem in saying morality was objective.
And if it turns out that God does not exist then you account of morality is grounded in a myth.
by Ginkgo
Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:19 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1817
Views: 48639

Re: What could make morality objective?

Ginkgo wrote: "Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time, will that it should become a universal law," is an example of a non-value judgement. This is a command, not an assertion expressing a judgement. Imperative and declarative clauses have different functions. Yes, I know...
by Ginkgo
Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:59 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1817
Views: 48639

Re: What could make morality objective?

Ginkgo wrote: Kant claims that the categorical imperative is apriori and can only be discovered through reason. Kant also claimed that morality cannot be discovered through experience. One cannot learn how to act by referring to subjective moral theories. This is why he made the distinction between...
by Ginkgo
Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:02 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1817
Views: 48639

Re: What could make morality objective?

Ginkgo wrote: Are you disagreeing with Kant's claim that moral behaviour can be universalized, or are you saying that the categorical imperative question begs? I'm saying that morality must be subjective, because a moral assertion expresses a value-judgement rather than making a factual claim. So t...