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by Ginkgo
Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:01 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Putting ''Immanuel Can'' In The Religious Spotlight.
Replies: 293
Views: 4075

Re: Putting ''Immanuel Can'' In The Religious Spotlight.

"For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but so that the world might be saved through Him. The one who believes in Him is not judged; the one who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgmen...
by Ginkgo
Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:01 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 4609
Views: 235299

Re: What could make morality objective?

Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:27 am
Atla wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:04 pm Evidence/proof please, not arguments.
Heh. :D Evidence is FOR arguments, mon ami.

Which argument do you know and reject? Then we'll look at the associated evidence.
How about the intelligent design argument? That is always a good one to reject.
by Ginkgo
Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:16 pm
Forum: About this Forum
Topic: get serious
Replies: 26
Views: 866

Re: get serious

Advocate wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:20 pm If Philosophy Now was serious about philosophy they'd be drawing regularly from this forum for topics and authors.
There are at least two authors from this forum that have had articles published in Philosophy Now magazine. Namely, uwot and myself.
by Ginkgo
Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:12 pm
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: Numbers, what are they?
Replies: 96
Views: 1524

Re: Numbers, what are they?

Immanuel Can wrote:
But these are big and obscure topics, requiring a level of knowledge in physics and cosmology that transcend the present audience, I suspect.

I hope you include yourself in that audience.
by Ginkgo
Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:55 pm
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: Numbers, what are they?
Replies: 96
Views: 1524

Re: Numbers, what are they?

All Vilenkin is really saying is that the universe has a beginning. This is a classical argument that doesn't address the quantum explanation for the beginning of the universe. Actually, it does. There are only two options: the universe had a beginning, or it did not. Quite correctly, you said that...
by Ginkgo
Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:57 pm
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: Numbers, what are they?
Replies: 96
Views: 1524

Re: Numbers, what are they?

Well, there IS one, whether you feel you "need" it or not. What I am saying is that your mathematical argument doesn't apply to a cyclical universe. Problem: we don't live in a cyclical universe. And that's empirical. The universe, as we know from things like the Red Shift Effect, is expanding, and...
by Ginkgo
Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:16 am
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: Numbers, what are they?
Replies: 96
Views: 1524

Re: Numbers, what are they?

Immanuel Can wrote: Well, there IS one, whether you feel you "need" it or not.
What I am saying is that your mathematical argument doesn't apply to a cyclical universe.
Immanuel Can wrote: What's your "empirical" argument, then?
I am still working on it. I'll post it when I get some more time.
by Ginkgo
Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:09 am
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: Numbers, what are they?
Replies: 96
Views: 1524

Re: Numbers, what are they?

To the question,"how can an order be maintained when there is no one controlling it?" should be, Why does an origin in Nothing REQUIRE obeying a law of consistency? Order is dependent necessarily on Non-order to mean something by contrast. But if anything originates unordered (chaos of an infinity ...
by Ginkgo
Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:55 am
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: Numbers, what are they?
Replies: 96
Views: 1524

Re: Numbers, what are they?

The problem is that it's not possible to reason from "We happen to be here" to "It must have been from an infinite universe." That's just the old "anthropic fallacy," at best, and a complete non sequitur at worst. This is just a strawman. I said nothing about "We happen to be here" "It must have be...
by Ginkgo
Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:19 am
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: Numbers, what are they?
Replies: 96
Views: 1524

Re: Numbers, what are they?

If we posit an infinite universe, then it never would have begun. Well, I would have to disagree with that. That's actually not possible...at least to rationally disagree. You could disagree irrationally, of course, but the maths are against you, and conclusively. You can forget the maths IC, my ar...
by Ginkgo
Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:03 am
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: Numbers, what are they?
Replies: 96
Views: 1524

Re: Numbers, what are they?

Immanuel Can wrote: If we posit an infinite universe, then it never would have begun.

Well, I would have to disagree with that. A universe that has always existed can have a starting point. It is a cyclical universe moving from one state to another, it just so happens that we call the Big Bang the starting point.
by Ginkgo
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:12 am
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: Numbers, what are they?
Replies: 96
Views: 1524

Re: Numbers, what are they?

There has always been something rather than nothing, Aha. 8) Nothing could be quite so certain as that that is not true. For it's actually mathematically impossible. It literally can't ever happen. The infinite regress of causes problem applies to that. An infinite sequence of causes and effects ne...
by Ginkgo
Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:18 am
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: Numbers, what are they?
Replies: 96
Views: 1524

Re: Numbers, what are they?

According to chaos theory order can appear out of chaos, so I don't think that is a problem. Actually it's far worse a problem than you imagine. For you not only have to get order out of chaos, but something out of nothing...if you understand the mathematics involved. And then you have to get an as...
by Ginkgo
Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:06 am
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: Numbers, what are they?
Replies: 96
Views: 1524

Re: Numbers, what are they?

Because, how can an order be maintained when there's no one controlling it? It's not just the problem of "maintaining," C. The question is, "How can highly-complex, rationally-ordered, intelligible things come out of sheer nothingness?" An analogy for you, if I may. Go and find a big, desk-sized ho...
by Ginkgo
Tue Nov 10, 2020 3:18 am
Forum: The Lounge
Topic: American election.
Replies: 1137
Views: 17076

American election.

Time for Trump to put on his big boy trousers and embrace defeat.