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by creativesoul
Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:17 am
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 26541

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Following from your agreement that worms can correlate impulses from reality and that we can digitise their nervous systems - worms compute. Do worms think? On a very basic level with the simplest of correlational content, worms can draw correlations between different things. This is the second tim...
by creativesoul
Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:08 am
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 26541

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

It's not a matter of "why", it's a matter of how... An apple can be a part of a mental correlation between it and something else. In order to draw correlations between our prior correlations(thought/belief) and something else, we must first isolate it in order to further discuss it as it's own subj...
by creativesoul
Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:39 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 26541

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Why do you keep on talking about thought/belief that requires language? Here you've given a perfect example of thinking about one's own thought/belief. Doing that requires language. Some thought/belief does not. To claim that thought/belief requires language is to claim that a mute/deaf people cann...
by creativesoul
Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:35 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 26541

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Computation is any type of calculation that includes both arithmetical and non-arithmetical steps and follows a well-defined model, for example an algorithm. Some thought creates and/or defines a model. Therefore some thought is prior to computation. Therefore not all thought is computation. This is...
by creativesoul
Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:24 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 26541

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

TimeSeeker wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:03 pm
creativesoul wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:57 pm
Why do you keep on talking about thought/belief that requires language? Here you've given a perfect example of thinking about one's own thought/belief. Doing that requires language. Some thought/belief does not.
NO thought/belief requires language!
That one does!

:roll: :mrgreen: :roll:
by creativesoul
Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:24 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 26541

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

All thinking about thought/belief requires language. If thinking about apples doesn't require language why does thinking about thinking about apples require language? It's not a matter of "why", it's a matter of how... An apple can be a part of a mental correlation between it and something else. In...
by creativesoul
Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:57 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 26541

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

It requires evidence. Evidence can be quantified on a number line. Like the decibel scale. Given a number line where do you draw the line for "sufficient evidence" and why? Or it can be qualified as "strong" and "weak" for lesser degrees of precision. Either way it begs a question. Does "sufficient...
by creativesoul
Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:54 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 26541

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

All thinking about thought/belief requires language. Prior to being able to think about something, that something must first exist - in it's entirety - prior to it's being thought about. Some thought/belief exists in it's entirety prior to it's being thought about. Some thought/belief does not requi...
by creativesoul
Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:27 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 26541

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

If there is no objective standard for "sufficient grounding" there is no difference. Being well-grounded doesn't require language. The earlier fire example... It requires evidence. Evidence can be quantified on a number line. Like the decibel scale. Given a number line where do you draw the line fo...
by creativesoul
Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:25 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 26541

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

The problem of epistemology is conflating what a report of thought/belief requires with what thought/belief requires. You speak of requirements. Then you necessarily speak of values. Is lying-by-omission still lying? If so - human language is always guilty. How do you justify the things you've LEFT...
by creativesoul
Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:08 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 26541

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Justification fails to infinite regress only if one conflates justification(the process of putting forth the grounds of one's belief) with being well-grounded. If there is no objective standard for "sufficient grounding" there is no difference. Being well-grounded doesn't require language. The earl...
by creativesoul
Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:04 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 26541

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

I'm left wondering exactly what counts as 'processing truth'? What is the criterion, which when met by some candidate or other, counts as a case of processing truth? Epistemology's dirty little secrets are the problems of justification and criterion. They are unsolved. That's not true on either fro...
by creativesoul
Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:51 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 26541

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

"The Trump campaign colluded with Russia." The above statement is one that has been uttered on many an occasion by Trump's opposition. Trump himself has said that it is not true. Everyone knows what would make it true. It would be true if the Trump campaign colluded with Russia. Trump is saying that...
by creativesoul
Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:46 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 26541

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

How do you think the entire field of psychology works for example, do they examine EVERY SINGLE PERSON on the planet first, or do they make observations based on some sample size? Gross overgeneralization is a fallacy of thought. It underlies all stereotype. It underlies racism. It underlies many c...
by creativesoul
Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:40 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 26541

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

I'm left wondering exactly what counts as 'processing truth'? What is the criterion, which when met by some candidate or other, counts as a case of processing truth? Epistemology's dirty little secrets are the problems of justification and criterion. They are unsolved. Justification fails to infini...