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by creativesoul
Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:28 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 22804

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

I am not conflating it. I am using the methods described by a philosophical position as a point of reference/comparison to what goes on in my own head. Ah. I see. You drew correlations between the philosophical notion of phenomenology and your own mental ongoings and you did so without language... ...
by creativesoul
Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:25 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 22804

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Any ability to adapt requires persistence/updating of information in your nervous system. Otherwise your behavior is necessarily deterministic/static. Read-only firmware. Same input will always produce the same output. Talk of input and output is utterly inadequate for taking proper account of thou...
by creativesoul
Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:22 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 22804

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

The algorithm you're employing as a means to respond to what I've written is quite loose.
by creativesoul
Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:20 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 22804

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Having practiced phenomenology since the age of 5 and to this day - i am telling you that it doesn't require language. Only spatial memory. My head is a real-time 3D animation. It is only expressed in language because - communication barrier. You're conflating the name of a philosophical position w...
by creativesoul
Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:07 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 22804

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

So. Memory? I don't know if I'd call it memory. Memory requires drawing the same correlations again, and that can include drawing correlations consisting of prior correlations, but I'm undecided as of yet about how to sensibly situate memory. Any ability to adapt requires persistence/updating of in...
by creativesoul
Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:02 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 22804

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Disagree. Phenomenology is a mental activity not a linguistic one. Your agreement isn't necessary. Phenomenology is a philosophical notion which describes mental activity and it uses language to do so. Having practiced phenomenology since the age of 5 and to this day - i am telling you that it does...
by creativesoul
Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:00 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 22804

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Right. The key difference, of course, is that with Santa you do not determine what counts as Santa. Why not? It's an idea that has grown organically through society. In some countries Santa wears green. In other - he wears red. Slavic cultures have Ded Moroz ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ded_Moro...
by creativesoul
Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:52 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 22804

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

So rudimentary thought/belief formation is different from "thinking"? Yes. Thinking would consist of correlations consisting of prior correlations. So. Memory? I don't know if I'd call it memory. Memory requires drawing the same correlations again, and that can include drawing correlations consisti...
by creativesoul
Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:49 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 22804

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

Phenomenologists are people who use language in a very specific way as a means to think about thought/belief. Disagree. Phenomenology is a mental activity not a linguistic one. Your agreement isn't necessary. Phenomenology is a philosophical notion which describes mental activity and it uses langua...
by creativesoul
Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:44 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 22804

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

If you thought of anything other than some pre-existing notion of Santa, then you were thinking about something other than Santa. Fat guy in a red suit. Brings gifts to children during Christmas. Tomorrow never exists in it's entirety. Your thoughts of tomorrow do. Santa doesn't exist in its entire...
by creativesoul
Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:41 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 22804

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

TimeSeeker wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:20 pm
creativesoul wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:16 pm
TimeSeeker wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:26 am

Agreed. Is this sufficient criterion for you to call it "thinking"?
No. It is adequate for simple rudimentary thought/belief formation.
So rudimentary thought/belief formation is different from "thinking"?
Yes. Thinking would consist of correlations consisting of prior correlations.
by creativesoul
Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:16 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 22804

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

On a very basic level with the simplest of correlational content, worms can draw correlations between different things. Agreed. Is this sufficient criterion for you to call it "thinking"? No. It is adequate for simple rudimentary thought/belief formation. Well given the lack of argument, I'm not su...
by creativesoul
Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:05 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 22804

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

It is impossible to do without language, and that is quite simply not something that is up to either one of us. We do not determine that. It's a matter of existential dependency. Thinking about one's own thought/belief requires having thought/belief and the capability to isolate and subsequently ta...
by creativesoul
Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:59 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 22804

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

It is impossible to do without language, and that is quite simply not something that is up to either one of us. We do not determine that. It's a matter of existential dependency. Thinking about one's own thought/belief requires having thought/belief and the capability to isolate and subsequently ta...
by creativesoul
Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:51 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?
Replies: 628
Views: 22804

Re: Is It Possible To Think Without Language?

You'll have to do better than this. Non-sequitur. My thoughts of Santa were not Santa either, so you have clearly shifted the goalposts here. I am thinking of tomorrow BEFORE tomorrow "exists in its entirety". It does not follow from the fact that you've not grasped the argument being offered that ...